25 wssm
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probably tough to beat it for an open country deer cartridge, its basically the same as a 25-06 which is no slouch downrange. Chambered in a Model 70 is a bit of a unique piece too, you wont run into too many other guys with one.
A 110 grain Accubond @ 3150-3200 fps leaves not much to be improved upon for a 400 yard deer rifle. With a 100 grain TSX I wouldnt want to be an elk or moose either if it was standing within 250 yards and you can place the bullet with precision
A 110 grain Accubond @ 3150-3200 fps leaves not much to be improved upon for a 400 yard deer rifle. With a 100 grain TSX I wouldnt want to be an elk or moose either if it was standing within 250 yards and you can place the bullet with precision
I first saw Big Redd's 25 WSSM in action out hawg killin' and it did a fine job at range. I sold my 243 Win Tikka T3 for a Browning Varmint Stalker in 243 WSSM just for the added steam and medium heavy barrel. The whole WSSM line up has proven to have a very healthy rep for accuracy and volocity. The 25 WSSM was never introduced in the market with a chrome linned barrel but does enjoy moly coated bullets as Redd can contest to. I would look to the Browning Varmint stalker for the heavier barrel but only if your using it to post with or hunt from a stand for deer as it is a little muzzle heavy.
Chilly is right the 25wssm does not have a chrome lined barrel... unlike the 223wssm or the 243wssm they do not require chrome lining.
Your barrel should last as long or longer than a standard 25/06 barrel... the pressures are the same or lower with the short mag and the speeds are identical.
Couple of tips... full length resize, you need to bump the shoulders back! Your brass will outlast the 06 brass even when full length resizing.
For long range accuracy with 85 gr B/T's I use BL-C (2) Powder and Federal Gold Match Primers.
With 110 A/B's using 39.8 grains of IMR-4064 I get 3050fps and one hole groups! This load is death on coyotes and deer!
Your barrel should last as long or longer than a standard 25/06 barrel... the pressures are the same or lower with the short mag and the speeds are identical.
Couple of tips... full length resize, you need to bump the shoulders back! Your brass will outlast the 06 brass even when full length resizing.
For long range accuracy with 85 gr B/T's I use BL-C (2) Powder and Federal Gold Match Primers.
With 110 A/B's using 39.8 grains of IMR-4064 I get 3050fps and one hole groups! This load is death on coyotes and deer!
I've always liked 25-06 and 257 Roberts, no reason I wouldn't get a 25 WSSM if I had a need for a 25 caliber cartridge (Which I don't, really)
It should work just as well for the same applications as the rest of the 25's!
Not many 257 Roberts around anymore, but I understand Ruger will be (or is)chambering one in their new Hawkeye rifles.
It should work just as well for the same applications as the rest of the 25's!
Not many 257 Roberts around anymore, but I understand Ruger will be (or is)chambering one in their new Hawkeye rifles.
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The 25-06 & 25WSSM both have an advantage ( +/- 10 percent ) over
the 25 Bob ... but all three are just what the Doctor ordered for larger
varmints and deer. The 250 Savage is just about right there with
257 Roberts, and the 257 Weatherby "maybe" 5 percent up on both the -06 & 25WSSM. Any and all, including the A.I. mods make great deer cartridges.
Haven't tried the Accubonds in my 25-06 yet, but the Nosler 115 Ballistic Tips
shoot under 1/2 MOA and are most reliable on Bambi.
the 25 Bob ... but all three are just what the Doctor ordered for larger
varmints and deer. The 250 Savage is just about right there with
257 Roberts, and the 257 Weatherby "maybe" 5 percent up on both the -06 & 25WSSM. Any and all, including the A.I. mods make great deer cartridges.
Haven't tried the Accubonds in my 25-06 yet, but the Nosler 115 Ballistic Tips
shoot under 1/2 MOA and are most reliable on Bambi.
todbartell said:257 Roberts case capacity, 257 Roberts performance
SuperCub said:
Only if you want to shoot a short action 200 fps faster with the same or less recoil!
http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=25 Cal
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beretta boy said:
I agree with everything you said except the .257 weatherby ( at least mine) has 10% more speed than any of those mentioned above. I have a 25-06 and it is sweet with 110 accubonds at 3230fps but the weatherby gets them going 3600fps with 72gr of retumbo and super accurate.
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I like the case, but changed the caliber to 6.5.
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BIGREDD said:Only if you want to shoot a short action 200 fps faster with the same or less recoil!
http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=15&b=25 Cal
John Barsness had an excellent article in either Rifle or Handloader last year in which he used mathematics to pretty much debunk all the so-called advantages of the Short Mags.
The Short Mags sell guns, give guys #### to do. It is a marketing ploy, that's all.
Please do not tell me that a .25 cal has enough recoil to matter! Adding or subtracting percentages of recoil from those dink calibers really is just theoretical blowing to justify the caliber. It amounts to ####.
Same for the claim that the shorter action allows "ounces" to shaved from the rifles weight. Just a bunch of Hoo-Haa... unless you're hunting in the Himilayas...
Demonical said:
JOhn Barness....
who gives a #### that some clown wrote an article...
If you dont see the merit, who cares? seems that you and a few other clowns allways jump on the threads that mention the two Letters WS together and "Debunk the debunkers" do us a favour, and #### off...
The comparison of the 25 WSSM vs the 25-06 is no different than 260 vs 6.5X55, 7mm rem and 280 rem, 308 vs 30-06
Weatherby's vs Rem mag/win mags etc.
Do you think your the first person to scream marketing ploy?
What amounts to #### is your attitude for anything new.
Why dont you stick to things you have an ounce of experience in...
Have you fired any on the WSSM's or hell even WSM's to have an opinion?
No, not likely. But keep quoting everyone else to support your arguements...
It sure helps prove in the grand scheme of things who is talking out they're ass.
BTW with regard to recoil, the difference is enough to matter.
Seeing as I have shot the 25WSSM side by side with a sporter weight 25-06,(Tikka M695) and a somewhat heavy (10.25 lbs Ruger 77) 25-06, I can tell you the felt recoil difference is plenty noticable.
so now your going to come back and "educate" me on the different recoil signatures of different stock designs and such to justify your above.
save it... I understand.
The WSSM is just as fast with light, and heavy bullets, makes a noticably less thump on the shoulder than the standard case cousin, ad looks cooler.
Merit is in the eye of the beholder, and if you dont like it too bad.
But for #### sakes, come up with a half decent arguement based on an ounce of personal experience rather than quoting some gunrag designed to market products...
I put a TI pad stock w/Limbsaver pad on my 257Roberts. That pad makes a huge difference to reducing the crushing recoil the Roberts hands out. I'm sure even with the reduced recoil of the 25WSSM, it could use a good pad as well. I totally recommend the Limbsaver for all the 25cals.BIGREDD said:Only if you want to shoot a short action 200 fps faster with the same or less recoil!
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Same could be said for those who constantly jump in these threads tell us about the great improvemnets to be had by shooting a wssm. Eye of the beholder as you said.
I like the idea of the .25wssm and the round should make a real laser of a deer gun but I dont like brownings or new model 70's so I will probably never own one.
Darryl,
Scrape off the candy coating and tell us what you really think. Its nice to hear from a guy that Walks the walk, and can give us relative Newbies the real goods when it comes to cartridge comparisons. P&D has a great looking 25 Wssm in an H S Precision rifle that has recently caught my eye, but I was thinking that the recoil in this very light gun may have been somewhat stiff for a recoil pussy like me. My current 25-06 is in a Sako varmint and that beauty gun soaks up alot of the recoil which of course makes it very pleasant to shoot a few boxes at a session at the range, Thanks FS
Scrape off the candy coating and tell us what you really think. Its nice to hear from a guy that Walks the walk, and can give us relative Newbies the real goods when it comes to cartridge comparisons. P&D has a great looking 25 Wssm in an H S Precision rifle that has recently caught my eye, but I was thinking that the recoil in this very light gun may have been somewhat stiff for a recoil pussy like me. My current 25-06 is in a Sako varmint and that beauty gun soaks up alot of the recoil which of course makes it very pleasant to shoot a few boxes at a session at the range, Thanks FS
Darryl,
Scrape off the candy coating and tell us what you really think. Its nice to hear from a guy that Walks the walk, and can give us relative Newbies the real goods when it comes to cartridge comparisons. P&D has a great looking 25 Wssm in an H S Precision rifle that has recently caught my eye, but I was thinking that the recoil in this very light gun may have been somewhat stiff for a recoil pussy like me. My current 25-06 is in a Sako varmint and that beauty gun soaks up alot of the recoil which of course makes it very pleasant to shoot a few boxes at a session at the range, Thanks FS
Scrape off the candy coating and tell us what you really think. Its nice to hear from a guy that Walks the walk, and can give us relative Newbies the real goods when it comes to cartridge comparisons. P&D has a great looking 25 Wssm in an H S Precision rifle that has recently caught my eye, but I was thinking that the recoil in this very light gun may have been somewhat stiff for a recoil pussy like me. My current 25-06 is in a Sako varmint and that beauty gun soaks up alot of the recoil which of course makes it very pleasant to shoot a few boxes at a session at the range, Thanks FS
YOur pin on buddy, and I never said it was the be all, and end all.gth said:
(and lets be honest, it isnt)
But... It does equal a 25-06's ballistics right across the board, does it in a smaller action, with less recoil. (Less expanding gases coming out the end of the barrel with 45 gr's as opposed to 58 gr's... Both are 257 dia barrels, and both have similar length barrels. (My Tikka had a 22 5/8's, and my ruger was 24 the 25 WSSM 23') Both have nearly Identical volumetric capacity, (barrel included) yet one burns 13 gr's more than the other with the same powder (H4350 for example) 13gr's less = X less expanding gases out the end of the barrel= less felt recoil. This isnt rocket science, but it makes sense...
I like the 25-06, and will have another before I buy a 25 WSSM... (unless one comes by and I get impulsive like most of the guns I buy)
Is it based on merit of the 25-06's superior capabilities? no. I just like the 25-06 for no good reason other than i like it. Is any of the WSSM's or WSM's an answer to any existing problems? NO. But they do things a bit differently, and if they float your boat cool, if not... Oh well... Its just very interesting to see guys flapping they're gumbs over what some guy told them once, or what was written in a gunrag... Try it yourself to see if you like it.
An open mind never hurt anyone.
Opinions are like #######s... And unfortunately everyone has one...
What is funny to me is you never see guys who own, or shoot WSSM's (or WSM's for that matter) do anything but defend them on these threads...
ANd its allways the same guys that chime in to "debunk the myths"
What does that tell you?
Fas...
I gots one of those sako's in 260(stainless laminate varminter)
... It actually replaced my last 25-06 in the stable. Honestly the 25WSSM is not going to do much more or less than your current 25-06.
But its different. And in some circles (including mine) Different is just that.
not wrong, not useless, not overpriced, not impossible to get brass for, Not no good because my brother in law said so... Just plain different.
Personally, I think a 257-250 savage, or 25-308 would be cooler.
Just cause its different.
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