25 yards .... not so sissy;)
- Thread starter Goose25
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If you want to develop good shooting technique then shoot offhand at 25m. You would be amazed at how hard it is to consistently get good groups at that range, no matter what type of sights you are using.
When you get good at offhand then when you apply the same skills to a benched rifle your groups will shrink futher still. Shooting offhand at 50m a decent shooter (I am not talking about a serious competetor) should be able to consistently get groups in the 3" or better range. The problem with starting off shooting offhand at 50m is that it can be discouraging if you are not consistenly hitting the paper.
K
When you get good at offhand then when you apply the same skills to a benched rifle your groups will shrink futher still. Shooting offhand at 50m a decent shooter (I am not talking about a serious competetor) should be able to consistently get groups in the 3" or better range. The problem with starting off shooting offhand at 50m is that it can be discouraging if you are not consistenly hitting the paper.
K
Goose25, it is the fun part of use a rimfire rifle or handgun. If you cannot repeatly hit the same point by throwing a stone or a slingshot, then join us to use a .22 rifle. Shooting is an art and markmanship, not how far a distance. What we looking for is Accuracy.
Trigun
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Another bit of information here. I was on another site and mentioned that I had recently bought a nice little .22 ( CIL & 4 Power scope ) at a gun show ( Kamloops ) I also bought a brick of LR and on the way back to the cabin stopped to try it out and I was very happy, it is a tack driver.
But I like to use shorts when hunting as the grouse are secondary and I don't want to scare away the primary game with a lot of noise. But when I went out to sight the rifle in using shorts I was not as happy with the shorts as I had been with the lr.
Here is what I was told:
" I relined a couple of 22 short guns on my lathe ....The 22 short bullet is 29 grs. IIRC, travelling at a much lower velocity, and the average long rifle is 40 grs. or thereabouts...22 LR being 1/16" twist (factory) and the 22 short being 1/20" twist..That's how the Brownell liners come...I guess the 22 short bullet is "overstabilized" when shot out of a 1/16" barrel...I assume the stubby 22 Short bullet doesn't make proper contact of the faster 1/16" twist...
Just my $.02 cents...
Dan "
Sounds logically to me, what do you guys think? Do they make a .22 in a 1/20" twist?
KTK
But I like to use shorts when hunting as the grouse are secondary and I don't want to scare away the primary game with a lot of noise. But when I went out to sight the rifle in using shorts I was not as happy with the shorts as I had been with the lr.
Here is what I was told:
" I relined a couple of 22 short guns on my lathe ....The 22 short bullet is 29 grs. IIRC, travelling at a much lower velocity, and the average long rifle is 40 grs. or thereabouts...22 LR being 1/16" twist (factory) and the 22 short being 1/20" twist..That's how the Brownell liners come...I guess the 22 short bullet is "overstabilized" when shot out of a 1/16" barrel...I assume the stubby 22 Short bullet doesn't make proper contact of the faster 1/16" twist...
Just my $.02 cents...
Dan "
Sounds logically to me, what do you guys think? Do they make a .22 in a 1/20" twist?
KTK
You should really start your own thread.
I just checked the CCI site - a .22 short HV is 1080, about the same as most normal .22 LR, the Hollow point is 1105, about the same as most high velocity .22 LR.
It's the shorter length of the bullet that needs less spin.
I just checked the CCI site - a .22 short HV is 1080, about the same as most normal .22 LR, the Hollow point is 1105, about the same as most high velocity .22 LR.
It's the shorter length of the bullet that needs less spin.
25 yards bench is a good way to sight in and sort out the ammo a .22 rimfire rifle likes and is accurate with. Then you can move to fifty and 100 yards and do an even finer ammo sort. .22 rimfire ammo sometimes is accurate out to the point where it drops below the speed of sound. This transition will usually cause groups to go from 1/2 at 25 to 1 inch at fifty, 2.0 inches at 75 and possibly as much as a foot at 100 metres.
Sometimes this is closer to 100 yards than to fifty and groups at these distance will show it.
A chronograph will help explain too.
I like shooting groups off the bench at 25 metres. I used to be able to hold 3/4 inch groups at 25 metres offhand. Fond memories now becuase of vision and physical condition. The groups have grown to over an inch with more flyers. And I just don't see well enough anymore to use peep sights at 100 metres. Detached and repaired retina, 2x in your shooting eye will do that to you. The more light I have behind me the better I shoot. Noon on cloudless days give me the best groups...
Sometimes this is closer to 100 yards than to fifty and groups at these distance will show it.
A chronograph will help explain too.
I like shooting groups off the bench at 25 metres. I used to be able to hold 3/4 inch groups at 25 metres offhand. Fond memories now becuase of vision and physical condition. The groups have grown to over an inch with more flyers. And I just don't see well enough anymore to use peep sights at 100 metres. Detached and repaired retina, 2x in your shooting eye will do that to you. The more light I have behind me the better I shoot. Noon on cloudless days give me the best groups...
Here are three great inventions to go with the Laser surgery to facilitate a more enjoyable shooting experience...
A Roof over the shooting benches at your range to keep you dry.
A sweater for the cold days.
And a set of reactive self setting targets so you only have to walk out twice to set them up, and take them home.
Or try a big bag of old Golf balls chucked out onto the range.
A Roof over the shooting benches at your range to keep you dry.
A sweater for the cold days.
And a set of reactive self setting targets so you only have to walk out twice to set them up, and take them home.
Or try a big bag of old Golf balls chucked out onto the range.
Calum said:Here are three great inventions to go with the Laser surgery to facilitate a more enjoyable shooting experience...
A Roof over the shooting benches at your range to keep you dry.
A sweater for the cold days.
And a set of reactive self setting targets so you only have to walk out twice to set them up, and take them home.
Or try a big bag of old Golf balls chucked out onto the range.
It wasn't Laser surgery, it was over twelve years ago and involved removal of the vitrious humour in my eye, followed by an injection of a gas bubble and liquid nitrogen cautery to scar the retina back in place. Did I mention the silicon band they also installed at the time. The result for my right eye was a coke bottle lens that was over 1/2 inch thick and very poor distance vision.
I am grateful for the cataract I got in that eye later as the lens implant returned my vision to 20/20. I won't mention that the detachment was painless but the surgery hurt for weeks after.
And make sure you pick up those golf balls. They are not fun to hit with the mower....
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Slash5 said:
The common point here is shooting at 25 yards. I want to be able to shoot low velocity accurately at 25 yards hence the posting. I don't think we need another thread if there is a commonality connecting the posts.
A high jack is another thing.
Anyhow why would lr at 25 yards be within a 1/4" and low velocity spread out over an inch?
Also related is the fact that when you sight in a new scope on the big bore shooting at 25 yards is awfully close to shooting at 200 yards so it is a great way to rough in a long range shooter also.
Ken
25 & 50 yd make good offhand practise. I prefer bench shooting at 100. Huntin gophers is done off a bipod, prone or a bench, so this is the style I practise the most. And single hole groups @ 25 & 50 are just too easy when using a supported shooting position
Doc Sharptail
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Goose25 said:here is a 5 shot group I shot last week @ 50 yards
Those aren't stones
Nice shooting.Here's one of mine at 25 yds. Note the size of the "white bull"
Now where's the posted group from that other "Sissy"?
Would it be asking too much to have the group centered in the bull now?
Regards,
Doc Sharptail
Edit: Rifle was a Miroku repro 52-B sporting. Ammo was Lapua Polar Biathlon. In accordance with the Black Death rules, I was shooting from an informal front rest ( My ammo can ) and no rear support. Glass was a Banner Dusk/Dawn 4-12X 40mm A/O. Temperature was right around 0 C
with my constant companion the wind in attendance with swirling sleet and snow. I've got a few more targets shot from sitting position that are pretty close to the above- shot with a very old Weaver 3/4" tube rimfire scope aboard the same rifle. I have yet to experience a totally wind-free 5 shot string- after some 30 years of shooting outdoors....
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