2 out of 60 rounds failed to fire.nice strike on both.seems fishy.the rifle is a lapua 338 savage 110ba.not to concerned but anyone have similar experiances?(this was with cci 250 primers)also,ive got 210 match federal primers.215 seems to be the concensus for this cartridge I know.but will they work ok? 91grs.h1000.300grn berger match hpbt.thx for the info guys.im fairly new at reloading,so any useful info will be great..also off topic,i just picked up my new lyman gen 5 powder dispenser/electronic scale....nice!!saves a boat load of time,and very easy to use..fyi.
250cci primers/2 failure to fires
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Never had a primer fail in a reload rifle or pistol yet knock on wood, but did in CCI 22 ammo once in awhile.
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I used to use CCI Mag Rifle in my .257 Bee using H414. I had several misfires and several late ignitions. About 1/2 a second late. Switched to Fed 215s. No more problems. My Lapua has only got Fed 215 Matches from the start because of that.
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I use BR-2 mag primers from CCI and never had any issues with my 300 win mag
I've had so many misfires with CCI primers that I wont even use them except for plinking loads. The worst offender(and you may find this interesting) was with a custom savage in .338 Edge using H1000 in cold weather. I checked all the savage specific stuff, changed the striker spring to the heaviest one Brownell's had and still didn't have any luck until I broke out the 215Ms. Never had another.
Here is a cause of misfires that may not be obvious:
Is your bullet touching the rifling?
Is the case full length sized?
Those two conditions can cause a problem.
The bullet in the rifling keeps the case shoulder off the chamber shoulder. When the firing pin hits the primer the unsupported case moves forward, softening the blow.
Is your bullet touching the rifling?
Is the case full length sized?
Those two conditions can cause a problem.
The bullet in the rifling keeps the case shoulder off the chamber shoulder. When the firing pin hits the primer the unsupported case moves forward, softening the blow.
that's a great tip.i was accurate in measuring the distance to lands .020.and the cases were all sized to length as well.but that's something I never thought about.always learning as I go...thank you guys.
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I use cci 250 primers in .308, 30.06, .270 and .300 weatherby. I have never had issue with any rounds. -Mark
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Make sure they are fully seated.
Last year, I had that happen to me also but just with the 200's. Four of them total. I pulled the bullets and the primers on the unfired rounds. The only answer that I could come up with was that the anvils weren't seated deep enough on those primers.
I never had that problem before with the CCI primers, and haven't since. Maybe just a quality control issue for a day or two at the factory? Who knows.
I never had that problem before with the CCI primers, and haven't since. Maybe just a quality control issue for a day or two at the factory? Who knows.
I was out this past weekend and had 2 more of the same failure to fires.this time I though there is no way.i have to be doing something wrong.i inspected the 2 failure to fire rounds (after patiently waiting with them chambered) and found 2 light strikes.i took my bolt and firing pin apart to inspect.did find a lot of what I would call factory dirt in there.cleaned it out and the primer strikes have been pronounced and sucsessful.I belive my gun was the source of the issue.savage 110 ba 338 lapua.theres only been about 200 rounds down the barrel,but I guess live and learn..thx for the replies guys.
I know two guys who swear that CCI primers are garbage and wont use them.
I know a list of people the length of my arm that swear that CCI primers are the best and use only them.
I prefer CCI but am not opposed to other brands.
As with anything, user experiences vary and opinions even more so. One must also always remember that the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
In my experience (anecdote, not data) Savage rifles (and Brownings) have soft firing pin strikes. Replacing the firing pin spring with a stronger one often helps but doesn't always solve the issue. Using Federal primers to fix this issue can work since Federal primer cups are much softer than other brands and the priming compound they use seems to be much more sensitive and prone to detonation with much lighter strikes (whether inside a firearm or not). This makes Federal primers more "reliable" in that they go off so easily but it has other drawbacks. CCI are the opposite with harder primer cups than most other brands (they always seem to flatten less at the same pressures than any other brand) so they can compound the issue of a weak firing pin spring.
Are you sure the primers were seated all the way in and there wasn't anything wrong with the primer pockets?
You could have a bad batch from CCI. Or perhaps something happened to the ones you got during shipping or storage before you bought them. Or maybe CCI has dropped their QC like other brands have due to higher demand. A couple isolated instances aren't enough to prove much.
I know a list of people the length of my arm that swear that CCI primers are the best and use only them.
I prefer CCI but am not opposed to other brands.
As with anything, user experiences vary and opinions even more so. One must also always remember that the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
In my experience (anecdote, not data) Savage rifles (and Brownings) have soft firing pin strikes. Replacing the firing pin spring with a stronger one often helps but doesn't always solve the issue. Using Federal primers to fix this issue can work since Federal primer cups are much softer than other brands and the priming compound they use seems to be much more sensitive and prone to detonation with much lighter strikes (whether inside a firearm or not). This makes Federal primers more "reliable" in that they go off so easily but it has other drawbacks. CCI are the opposite with harder primer cups than most other brands (they always seem to flatten less at the same pressures than any other brand) so they can compound the issue of a weak firing pin spring.
Are you sure the primers were seated all the way in and there wasn't anything wrong with the primer pockets?
You could have a bad batch from CCI. Or perhaps something happened to the ones you got during shipping or storage before you bought them. Or maybe CCI has dropped their QC like other brands have due to higher demand. A couple isolated instances aren't enough to prove much.
I have not had a FTF primer of any make since about 1962....was handling some Alcan primers with my grubby fingers, and killed a couple.
Once I learned what the problem was, voila! No more FTF with: Alcan, Winchester, C.I.L., Fiocci, Norma, CCI, Remington, RWS, Wolf, Federal, Vihtavuori, and probably a couple of other brands I have forgotten.
However, over the years, I have caught several primers that had no anvil [before I seated them] They would have been FTF, for certain.
Also had a New Federal case with no flash hole. Still have it in my collection somewhere, lol.
Regards, Dave.
Once I learned what the problem was, voila! No more FTF with: Alcan, Winchester, C.I.L., Fiocci, Norma, CCI, Remington, RWS, Wolf, Federal, Vihtavuori, and probably a couple of other brands I have forgotten.
However, over the years, I have caught several primers that had no anvil [before I seated them] They would have been FTF, for certain.
Also had a New Federal case with no flash hole. Still have it in my collection somewhere, lol.
Regards, Dave.
I use a rcbs hand primer.seats them well.primer pockets are always spotless.i use an extreme tumbler with stainless media and they come out better than new.i always inspect the flash holes also.is the firing pin supposed to be reassembled dry?or with a little light oil?i know cold weather is an issue as well...ive loaded up another 100 with lapua brass,cci250 primers and h1000 powder to try this weekend..we will see how it goes and ill post my findings..thx again gentlemen...grant
