.257 Roberts vs 25-06 Rem.

SuperCub said:
Several years ago, Bevan King did a 257Roberts for me. I had planned on shooting it as is for a while and then later getting the "AI'" treatment so it would approximate a 25/06. Well later never came and never will. The regular old 257 is perfect as is. No 257AI or 25/06 will ever replace it for me.



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I thought ya might tire of that one and sell it to some lucky guy.....like me, f'r instance!
That Bob of yours is a beauty!
 
Well, you aren't me now are ya?;)

$0.80 for a TSX
$0.46 for a BT

$0.34 difference, per round, if I were to shoot 10 in a year, which I don't it would cost me half of a quarter pounder meal.:D

Now, if I was punching paper.......................I'd still use the TSX if it was the most accurate!

SuperCub said:
I wouldn't waste a TSX on a coyote. Deer/yes, dogs/no.

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Can't really go wrong with either the 257R or 25-06 when using a 80/100TTSX, 80NBT and/or 110NAB. Pick the size of action you want/have and let that be the deciding factor.
 
My .25-06 is in a Remington 700V.
The .25-06 is generally about 200 fps ahead of the .257. If the .257 can be loaded hotter, so can the .25-06. Even the .257 +P is 200 fps behind. Never considered the .257 as an option due to the availability of bullets and loaded ammo.
 
The 25-06 will always have the velocity edge because of case capacity,just as the .257 Weatherby with more capacity will always beat out the .25-06(with the same barrels and pressures).But velocity isn't everything!I shoot a .25-06AI,it's fast and flat but not quite up to the .257Roy.If I had wanted the Weatherby for speed,I would have bought it,I wanted the .25-06AI.Go with what you like or need,neither cartridge will let you down! Mur
 
Kelly Timoffee said:
Well, you aren't me now are ya?;)

$0.80 for a TSX
$0.46 for a BT

$0.34 difference, per round, if I were to shoot 10 in a year, which I don't it would cost me half of a quarter pounder meal.:D

Now, if I was punching paper.......................I'd still use the TSX if it was the most accurate!
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Guess I'm lucky cuz mine will shoot plain olde Hornadys with very predictable accuracy. Less than 1/2 the price of a TSXs and they'd work fine for coyotes.

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SuperCub said:
Guess I'm lucky cuz mine will shoot plain olde Hornadys with very predictable accuracy. Less than 1/2 the price of a TSXs and they'd work fine for coyotes.
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That's nice, but he did say he wanted one load for deer and coyotes.

Kelly Timoffee said:
Personally I am going to load 100gr TSX for coyote and deer.Get 3200+ft/sec and be nice and flat shooting.
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Obviously both will do the job but I am with Kelly, for one load to do both or more, I would pick something similar to what he mentioned using the TSX's.

When I point a rifle at an animal to takes it's life, no matter what it is, the cost of the bullet never enters my mind. If you are worried about such things maybe you should take up knitting :p
 
bearhunter said:
They're both fantastic cartridges.

When the 257Rob is used in a modern rifle or even one of the K98 custom jobs, it can be loaded up to the same pressures as the 25-06 operates at. This makes them kissing cousins in reality.

Most manuals, list their loads at reduced pressures. Some manuals, specifically give higher pressure +P loads along with caveats to the hand loader to make sure the rifles they are going to be used in can handle a diet of the high pressure.

One other issue with the 257 Rob, is that many of the earlier commerdial models, although being strong enough were barreled with 1-14 twist barrels. They won't usually stabilize bullets over 100 grains. Some, will only stabilize bullets 95 grains and lighter. Even with a 1-10 twist, some barrels won't stabilize anything over 100 grains.

If you're planning on buying a late model commercial or building a custom 257 Rob, opt for a 1-8 1/2 twist. That will stabilize even the longest bullets available.

The 25-06, doesn't suffer from most of the above restraints. Other than many earlier rifles, have 1-14 twist rates again. The only later rifles that I have seen with such a slow twist, are now on custom rifles.

The difference between the 257R and the 25-06, in a late model rifle, isn't really enough to worry about, in practical hunting applications. That being said, if you're going to limit yourself to one 25cal rifle, go for the 25-06. It will do everything the 257R will do but just a little better on lighter bullets and really takes the lead with heavier/longer bullets.

Ammunition is also much more readily available for the 25-06 vs the 257R.

It's kind of like the difference between the 308Win and the 30-06. When you're using 150 grain bullets, ballistics are almost identical. When you start using the heavier/longer bullets, the 30-06 starts to shine.
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Good stuff - same applies for the 7X57 and 280 Rem.

With heavy (long) bullets, the performance difference is small. One "complaint" about the 7X57 is that it won't fit in a short action, but in a standard action, the shorter 257 Roberts allows the bullets to be seated out much farther out of the case than the 280 Rem (mag length determines), so long as it's throated to do that. In the 280 Rem, the bullet will be taking up powder space that in the 257 Roberts isn't.
 
Then you would hear about the price of wool and yarn.;)

crazy_davey said:
That's nice, but he did say he wanted one load for deer and coyotes.



Obviously both will do the job but I am with Kelly, for one load to do both or more, I would pick something similar to what he mentioned using the TSX's.

When I point a rifle at an animal to takes it's life, no matter what it is, the cost of the bullet never enters my mind. If you are worried about such things maybe you should take up knitting :p
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bearhunter said:
They're both fantastic cartridges.

When the 257Rob is used in a modern rifle or even one of the K98 custom jobs, it can be loaded up to the same pressures as the 25-06 operates at. This makes them kissing cousins in reality.

Most manuals, list their loads at reduced pressures. Some manuals, specifically give higher pressure +P loads along with caveats to the hand loader to make sure the rifles they are going to be used in can handle a diet of the high pressure.

One other issue with the 257 Rob, is that many of the earlier commerdial models, although being strong enough were barreled with 1-14 twist barrels. They won't usually stabilize bullets over 100 grains. Some, will only stabilize bullets 95 grains and lighter. Even with a 1-10 twist, some barrels won't stabilize anything over 100 grains.

If you're planning on buying a late model commercial or building a custom 257 Rob, opt for a 1-8 1/2 twist. That will stabilize even the longest bullets available.

The 25-06, doesn't suffer from most of the above restraints. Other than many earlier rifles, have 1-14 twist rates again. The only later rifles that I have seen with such a slow twist, are now on custom rifles.

The difference between the 257R and the 25-06, in a late model rifle, isn't really enough to worry about, in practical hunting applications. That being said, if you're going to limit yourself to one 25cal rifle, go for the 25-06. It will do everything the 257R will do but just a little better on lighter bullets and really takes the lead with heavier/longer bullets.

Ammunition is also much more readily available for the 25-06 vs the 257R.

It's kind of like the difference between the 308Win and the 30-06. When you're using 150 grain bullets, ballistics are almost identical. When you start using the heavier/longer bullets, the 30-06 starts to shine.
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I have only owned a .257 Roberts, but I am always happy with the way it performs with handloaded ammunition. Factory loaded stuff is usually quite slow for the potential of the cartridge.
I have been unable to find any reference to the .257 Roberts ever being commercially chambered with a rifling twist of 1:14. As I understand it, this was the standard twist for the .250 Savage, so it is possible that some barrels were used with that twist for early .257 Roberts. But again, no references on that.
As for the 1:10 twist that is the standard (and has been for many years), such as the barrel in my rifle, it can easily handle up to 120 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips. I can see little need for a tighter twist.
Performance, as I have said, has been very good for deer hunting and I can easily shoot 120 grains at 2850-2900 fps, and 100 grain bullets at 3000 fps. While the .25-06 should be a little faster, these loads have been fast enough for me.
 
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