.257 weatherby mag

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If you say so.... Your world is based on fact after all :ban:


Also please send me your reloading data, since the manuals are all wrong, I don't trust them anymore:eek:
 
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Manuals are a great asset if you use their starting load and work up watching for pressure signs.Come to think of it,why do you suppose that they just don't give one powder charge for each load?Or perhaps just the best load for each cartridge?Wouldn't that make it much simpler for handloaders?Do you suppose that it just might be because each gun is different and will produce different accuracy,pressure and velocity with a given load?Is that possible?:D :D :D
 
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Manuals are a great asset if you use their starting load and work up watching for pressure signs.Come to think of it,why do you suppose that they just don't give one powder charge for each load?Or perhaps just the best load for each cartridge?Wouldn't that make it much simpler for handloaders?Do you suppose that it just might be because each gun is different and will produce different accuracy,pressure and velocity with a given load?Is that possible?:D :D :D
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Obviously you don't have a Nosler manual, it gives you the most accurate charge for each type of powder for any cartridge in any bullet weight. And is also gives you the most accurate powder. Barnes manual also has the most accurate powder type for each bullet weight .

When are you putting your reloading data out.... to share with us peasants.
 
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stubblejumper, let me ask you again. How long have you been reloading?
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I will let you figure that out.I was shooting the 7mmstw the year Layne Simpson introduced it.By the way neither factory loads or even commercial brass were available until many years later,so I had to form my own brass and then load them.I was one of the first people shooting the 7mm imperial magnum introduced by NASS.Once again,there were no factory loads available for this cartridge.I was also loading for an ithaca lsa 55 in 243 since it was new.How long has it been since that rifle was even available?I also loaded and shot a 338x8mmremmag for which there was no brass or loading data available.It has been a few years and I have done a fair amount of wildcatting and load development.
 
Obviously you don't have a Nosler manual, it gives you the most accurate charge for each type of powder for any cartridge in any bullet weight. And is also gives you the most accurate powder. Barnes manual also has the most accurate powder type for each bullet weight .
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The most accurate load given in the Nosler manual is the load that was the most accurate in the test rifle.Are you really naive enough to believe that it will be the most accurate load in every rifle?:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
 
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The most accurate load given in the Nosler manual is the load that was the most accurate in the test rifle.Are you really naive enough to believe that it will be the most accurate load in every rifle?:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Well if you have be reloading as long as you state you would know certain powders are more accurate in a given caliber. You use that as a starting point and tailor it to your rifle. But you already knew that didn't you.

I mean really what does Nosler, Barnes, Speer, Sierra, Hornady and Swift really know....they are just trying to sell us they crappy bullets..... Now I have a new source of reloading info.

Oh by the way, the accurate loads listed in the Nosler manual were extremely accurate in my 257..... Must just be lucky, I guess, what where the odds in that..:beerchug:
 
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I will let you figure that out.I was shooting the 7mmstw the year Layne Simpson introduced it.By the way neither factory loads or even commercial brass were available until many years later,so I had to form my own brass and then load them.I was one of the first people shooting the 7mm imperial magnum introduced by NASS.Once again,there were no factory loads available for this cartridge.I was also loading for an ithaca lsa 55 in 243 since it was new.How long has it been since that rifle was even available?I also loaded and shot a 338x8mmremmag for which there was no brass or loading data available.It has been a few years and I have done a fair amount of wildcatting and load development.
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So then you should know that there are certainly no absolutes in this reloading business, that every rifle is a unique and that even two barrels made from the same long blank will give different velocities.

BTW, Layne Simpson did not introduce the 7mm STW, he just gave it a new name. 7mms on the full-length case were being used when I started handloading in 1962.

Bevan King was building rifles on the Improved 404 Jef case, long before Aubrey White had even thought of it, and the LSA was being produced for Ithaca by Tikka in the early 70s.


This is hilarious! :dancingbanana:

Good niiiiiight.
 
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BTW, Layne Simpson did not introduce the 7mm STW
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Let me rephrase that.He introduced the 7mmstw to the shooting public in the Shooting Times Magazine.Before that it was relative unknown to most people,and as yet unamed.By the way,I started reloading in the late 70's.
 
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Well if you have be reloading as long as you state you would know certain powders are more accurate in a given caliber. You use that as a starting point and tailor it to your rifle.
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Really?the 250 savage,25-06,257wby and 257stw are all the same caliber.Would the same powder be the best choice in all four cartridges?

As far as powders and cartridges are concerned,certain powders are more suitable for a given cartridge depending on the case capacity and caliber.However this has more to do with the velocity that can be acheived in that cartridge with the specified powders,rather than the accuracy potential.

As to predicting which powder will be more accurate in your particular rifle, I will quote WHY not

there are certainly no absolutes in this reloading business, that every rifle is a unique
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Really?the 250 savage,25-06,257wby and 257stw are all the same caliber.Would the same powder be the best choice in all four cartridges?

As far as powders and cartridges are concerned,certain powders are more suitable for a given cartridge depending on the case capacity and caliber.However this has more to do with the velocity that can be acheived in that cartridge with the specified powders,rather than the accuracy potential.

As to predicting which powder will be more accurate in your particular rifle, I will quote WHY not
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My mistake cartridge, not caliber. Each "cartridge" has a preferred powder. Its in the manuals. its based on burn rates and capacity as you stated above.... the 30-06 is very fond of 4350, the weatherby likes RL19, etc. etc , etc..... Its all in the manuals and you use this as you starting point... the 257 and 25-06 have different tastes. Of course there are no for sures in reloading, but you don't dismiss the information provided in the manuals.

Are you saying you know more than the info in the manuals....

anyways So long.... you know way to much for me.... I kneel to the KING...:D
 
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Are you saying you know more than the info in the manuals....
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I am saying that a manual should only be used as a starting point for load development,and that you should not expect your rifle to be the most accurate with the same powder or load as the rifle in the manual.You should also not expect it to produce the same velocity as the velocity printed in the manual.Most of all,don't expect all loads printed in a manual to be safe in your gun.

However,I do know more about which powders ,which powder charges,which bullet,which primer,and which overal length will produce the best accuracy in my rifles than any manual.I also know what velocity that my rifles will produce with those loads,better than any manual.Actual load development and chronograph readings will always be much more accurate than any data printed in any manual.

Of course there are no for sures in reloading, but you don't dismiss the information provided in the manuals.
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If my chronograph readings don't agree with the velocities in the manual,I dismiss the velocities in the manual.If my rifles are more accurate with a different powder that the most accurate powder stated in the manual,I dismiss the so called most accurate powder in the manual.If I see pressure signs and am still below the maximum load listed in the manual,I dismiss the maximum load in the manual.Manuals provide guidlines,they are not absolutes to blindly believe.
 
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I am saying that a manual should only be used as a starting point for load development,and that you should not expect your rifle to be the most accurate with the same powder or load as the rifle in the manual.You should also not expect it to produce the same velocity as the velocity printed in the manual.Most of all,don't expect all loads printed in a manual to be safe in your gun.

However,I do know more about which powders ,which powder charges,which bullet,which primer,and which overal length will produce the best accuracy in my rifles than any manual.I also know what velocity that my rifles will produce with those loads,better than any manual.Actual load development and chronograph readings will always be much more accurate than any data printed in any manual.
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You da man :dancingbanana:
 
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As any queen should.:D :D :D
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Hey, its allowed now... everywhere in Canada..... oh , except Alberta. Even in the Military we allow same ### benefits.

If you are the King and I am the queen, does this mean we are married.:eek:
 
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damn good read :beerchug:


All I have to say is that in my personal experiences, a 25-06 will launch a 100 grainer @ 3300 fps, out of a 24" tube. Id assume that a 257 Wby, loaded to the same pressures, would push it at least 200 fps more, barrel length being equal. The extra 200 fps doesnt turn it into a giant slayer, it just makes wind drift a tad less and bullet drop a bit less past 400 yards. In turn, you have to put up with higher cost of ammo/components, more recoil/muzzle blast, higher powder consumption, and in theory less accurate (all things being equal, a smaller cartridge will outshoot a bigger one, within the same bore size *although at long range, the faster cartridge may shoot tighter in varying wind conditions*). In the end, it all comes down to the shooter behind the trigger.

I agree with the point made that if you will never burn out a barrel on a 257 Wby, you will never have the skill required to shoot game at distances in which a 25-06 isnt suitable and a Wby Mag would be. Fact!
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Sorry to disappoint you,but I am totally heterosexual.But since you live in Vancouver,you should be able to find a suitable partner quite easily.:p :p
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Hey man you called me a Queen,.... sorry to disappoint, contrary to what you Albertan's may believe... (I was posted there for seven Years) most people in Vancouver are also hetro.... may not speak English, but they are Hetro.... And I am quite happy with the girlfriend I have now... so I don't have to look for another partner, but if I keep buying rifles, I might get da boot:sucks:

Todd..... you are alive...

My Weatherby turned out to be very accurate... the recoil is not that much more. If they made the same rifle in 25-06, I'm sure it would be just as good of a shooter.
 
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damn good read :beerchug:


All I have to say is that in my personal experiences, a 25-06 will launch a 100 grainer @ 3300 fps, out of a 24" tube. Id assume that a 257 Wby, loaded to the same pressures, would push it at least 200 fps more, barrel length being equal.
I had a 25-06 it would do about the same with 117 or 120 grainers 3100 was a hot load.I have a 257 weatherby with a 27" tube and my son has on with a 24" tube his will drive 100 grain nozlers at 3660 mine will get just over 2700and with good case life he has had his for at least 10 years and has not lost any brass to lose primer pockets and he shoots it quit a bit.Mine with the 27" barrel will drive 120 grainers at over 3400.Both of our rifles will shoot well under moa.​
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