26 Nosler claim

Just advertising bs for the most part. Zero range is much further than most people set their firearms... I set all of my scoped rifles for a 200 yard zero, and I think that most guys zero at 100 yards... the odd few will go further, but it is more than a slightly misleading claim.

It may be a great cartridge, but I am in no huge rush to try it just because of the hype. Other 6.5's will do just fine with much better barrel life.
 
I'd just as soon be told that it will easily do 3300 fps with a 140 gr bullet and over 3400 fps with a 129. I can do the rest of the math.
 
I can hardly believe the resentment that comes with each new cartridge. We cry for new stuff, then dump all over it.

Some guys need to save the time they use criticizing, and use it refining their 30/30 loads, unless of course they still have plenty of CIL ammo left....
 
When a new cartridge comes out, one might expect it to do something that none others do. Sometimes its to put the performance of a large cartridge requiring a large rifle into a smaller package as did the .350 magnum when chambered in the 600 Remington, or more recently, the .375 Ruger chambered in the Alaskan rifle. Other times a product is designed because a new task is defined, and there is no preexisting product that can do it, as was the case with the .338 Lapua. Yet its difficult to define the niche for a high velocity 6.5 that isn't equaled or surpassed by preexisting rounds. In the commercial arms industry, marketing is the driving force. Its not how good a product is, but how it can be packaged up and sold to the public. I doubt that the .26 Nosler will have the impact on hunters that Partition bullets did, but Partitions allowed every big game cartridge to perform to a level of reliable performance previously unattainable. Now not every new product needs to take the world by storm, but there are those that will stand the test of time, and those that will fissile. Unless Nosler brings out a family of propriety cartridges that redefines the performance level of their rifles (a tomorrow's rifle today, Weatherby sort of thing) the need for which is questionable given recent cartridge developments, the .26 Nosler might not be with us for very long. If on the other hand, the internet drives stories of never before seen performance, you can bet the .26 will be the first of numerous, large case, small bore, big game cartridge designs that will approach or break 4000 fps.
 
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Whisky Creek said:
What the heck is Nosler claiming with its 26 Nosler advertising? "Flat Out to 415"....

What kind of statement is that? How do they define "Flat"?

Are the inventing a new definition of flat? IE: A drop of less than ###X inches from the muzzles = Flat?

I just don't get it.
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Nosler is trying to re-invent the wheel, similar to Winchester inventing the WSM's. I do understand why gun manufactures pursue this course; to stimulate the gun market to some recently invented mundane cartridges that did not take off. The 26 Nosler is similar or less flat shooting than the 257, 270 Weatherby, however the 264. dia. does have a higher BC.
 
The 26 Nosler is essentially a 6.5 STW in a shorter (Standard Length) package. Like it or not, the 6.5 STW is a popular Wildcat, and 6.5's have made a resurgence.

I have a 257 STW, which wil outdo the popular 257 Wby, and the 26 Nosler will do everything the 257 STW will do with the same bullet weight and a bit more, either at lower pressures or slightly at slighlty higher MV's, e.g. 100 gr at 3900 fps. It can also employ much heavier bullets than a 25 cal.

What's wrong with that?
 
Not a lot wrong with it, and theres no doubt that some enthusiasts will have noticed that a Nosler case in a 3.600 mag box is not an entirely bad thing and have their reamers ordered already. Others will shrug and point out that what they have is doing the same thing. Neither is going to help Nosler, because a reamer sale to PTG doesn't pay them.

Since the enthusiast is just going to build his rifle and load his ammo, that leaves the market narrowed down to those that will pay a few thousand for a Howa with a Pac-Nor barrel so they can shoot hard to get and expensive ammo that may or may not be around long. That's a tough sell.
 
Nothing shoots flatter, hits harder or is more accurate than Weatherby...The marketing genius has been toying with us shooters since about 1945 or so.
Roy Weatherby has spent lots of money perfecting his slogan and now we have college kids doing it to us again.
Shoot what you got if you like it.
BTW, I think 1-1/2'' inches at 100yrds is respectable, at three inches care to guess the group size?

Most of my guns have the ability to perform better in someone else hands, but I at least know the potential is there for me to do well enough to harvest my deer when the opportunity arises.
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
Andy said:
I can hardly believe the resentment that comes with each new cartridge. We cry for new stuff, then dump all over it.

Some guys need to save the time they use criticizing, and use it refining their 30/30 loads, unless of course they still have plenty of CIL ammo left....
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Laugh2Laugh2

Nailed it right there. :)
 
Andy said:
I can hardly believe the resentment that comes with each new cartridge. We cry for new stuff, then dump all over it.

Some guys need to save the time they use criticizing, and use it refining their 30/30 loads, unless of course they still have plenty of CIL ammo left....
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I don't think that is fair. I don't hear many people crying for new cartridges at all. Quite the opposite, which is why the new stuff like the WSSM, RSAUM, RCM and such all seem to be unmitigated failures. What we DO have are companies trying to reinvent the wheel and then they try brainwash us into believing that we need this "new technology". Some people will want to try it for the sake of trying it, or to project a certain image. Many, however will see through the marketing hype and just move along.

Of course some "new" stuff is useful. Better and more reliable optics come to mind.

Edit to add: I am going home to load some H4831 under a 180gr Partition in a .30-06 Springfield..
 
Andy said:
I can hardly believe the resentment that comes with each new cartridge. We cry for new stuff, then dump all over it.

Some guys need to save the time they use criticizing, and use it refining their 30/30 loads, unless of course they still have plenty of CIL ammo left....
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Yes, the critics were out in force when the 264 Win. Mag. appeared as well, and I'm probably as guilty as the rest after my experience with the 375 Ruger cartridge.
However, I do not give up easily as I'm probably going to buy a brand-new rifle in 375 Ruger ( not a Ruger though ! ).....
 
I don't care about the haters, I'm "that guy" on CGN, I like the 26 Nosler, and I have a plan:

- I intend to buy a Norinco M305 from Marstar and rebarrel and rechamber it to 26 Nosler. I ordered it five minutes ago from their website and if they don't respond in a few minutes I'll call. If there's no immediate answer, I'll start a complaint thread here on CGN;
- I will clean it either in the dishwasher, or I'll just shower with it - not sure yet;
- I will use AIA 10 round mags in it. I already posed 16 questions about whether or not they're legal, but now I'll have a bunch more because I'm not using 308. Or is it 7.62X51? More questions.....;
- as for ammo, I'll start a few threads demanding that cheap surplus 26 Nosler be brought in. I hope it's not corrosive, but if it is, I'll just use a mixture of boiling Windex mixed with WD-40 (as suggested); and
- when I tire of it, I'll post it for sale on the EE without pics, asking $2000 FIRM, and accept only Certified Cheques (I don't do EMT).
 
andy said:
i don't care about the haters, i'm "that guy" on cgn, i like the 26 nosler, and i have a plan:

- i intend to buy a norinco m305 from marstar and rebarrel and rechamber it to 26 nosler. I ordered it five minutes ago from their website and if they don't respond in a few minutes i'll call. If there's no immediate answer, i'll start a complaint thread here on cgn;
- i will clean it either in the dishwasher, or i'll just shower with it - not sure yet;
- i will use aia 10 round mags in it. I already posed 16 questions about whether or not they're legal, but now i'll have a bunch more because i'm not using 308. Or is it 7.62x51? More questions.....;
- as for ammo, i'll start a few threads demanding that cheap surplus 26 nosler be brought in. I hope it's not corrosive, but if it is, i'll just use a mixture of boiling windex mixed with wd-40 (as suggested); and
- when i tire of it, i'll post it for sale on the ee without pics, asking $2000 firm, and accept only certified cheques (i don't do emt).
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bahahahahaha!!
 
1899 said:
I don't think that is fair. I don't hear many people crying for new cartridges at all. Quite the opposite, which is why the new stuff like the WSSM, RSAUM, RCM and such all seem to be unmitigated failures. What we DO have are companies trying to reinvent the wheel and then they try brainwash us into believing that we need this "new technology". Some people will want to try it for the sake of trying it, or to project a certain image. Many, however will see through the marketing hype and just move along.

Of course some "new" stuff is useful. Better and more reliable optics come to mind.

Edit to add: I am going home to load some H4831 under a 180gr Partition in a .30-06 Springfield..
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I'm not a "hater" but the cartridge lineup has had no empty slots in it for some years.
But manufacturers have to generate the hype to convince folks their latest offering is something that they can't live without.
At least a new round has a practical use, look at all the crap that is peddled world wide by big business that is completely useless.
 
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