26 Nosler????

[Republic of Alberta]

I cannot understand why the 257 Wby and 7mm Rem Mag are lauded as awesome in all regards, but the 264 Win Mag is a "barrel-burner, and no better than the 270". They all share essentially the same cartridge and only differ by a few percent in bore diameter.

Please too, let's rise above the old myth that the 264 Win Mag "needs a 26" barrel". I have a 6.5-300 Win Mag with a 24" barrel, and 3300 fps is not difficult with a full case of a very slow powder like US869. I could still crack 3100 with a 20" barrel.

Its only the old boys that read to many magazines full of misinformation and ulterior motives from old fashioned gun writers. Guys that believed what they read and couldn't move on and writers that always felt the need to back some very basic ideas or a cartridge then ride it to fame and reputation. People are getting much smarter than this now and very few buy into the stupid myths and voodoo of the past gun writers. An example of this is the short mag craze. Remember when we were told that the short mags got more velocity for their case size and had less recoil. When's the last time you heard someone repeat that load of BS? The hype was debunked and the newer and smarter generation of riflemen were able to let it go and move on.

 

[c-fbmi]

I'm saying that I'm about done with this site. When I have someone accuse me of being an internet jockey when he himself has thousands of posts, I'm insulted.
I've been hunting and reloading for about 33 years. When velocities are 200fps above the max listed in the book, that can only come from pressure.
I've seen very nice rifles with peened locking lugs, and cracked locking lugs.
I was accused of being rude, but go back and read your post.
Goodby all!

I don't need to read my post, I wrote it.............you still didn't answer if you ever owned and loaded for a 264 Winchester Magnum.........I don't care how long you've been shooting and loading, that is the REAL question. Or are you just spouting computer/manual data, without any first hand experience with the cartridge ? I have manuals that say my load it is within reasonable pressure limits for this cartridge, so...........There is no such thing as THE book when it comes to reloading, I have many books on the subject, spanning nearly 50 years, and most from 30-40 years ago or even 50, say the 264 will do 3200 with a 140 gn bullet and this is before all the new outstanding powders available for these overbore cartridges, and the new 6 lawyer approved loading manuals.

 

[Boomer]

Yup, if I relied only on book data, and I just had a Hornady manual, my .375 Ultra would be loaded 4.5 grs under max, and my best .30/06 180 gr load would clock about 2650 instead of 2800. Fortunately I have dozens of manuals, on line resources, and about 10 more years of experience (some was good, some wasn't so good) than our friend ivor. If you never ask, "What happens if . . . ?" you miss out on much experience. There's nothing wrong with loading by recipe if your goal is to shoot more than you could with factory ammo, or to take advantage of better bullets rather than settle for what's available with factory ammo, but one should probably acquiesce (now there's a good word) to someone who has asked and answered that question as often as Doug has.

 

[Northman999]

Yup, if I relied only on book data, and I just had a Hornady manual, my .375 Ultra would be loaded 4.5 grs under max, and my best .30/06 180 gr load would clock about 2650 instead of 2800. Fortunately I have dozens of manuals, on line resources, and about 10 more years of experience (some was good, some wasn't so good) than ivor. If you never ask, "What happens if . . . ?" you miss out on much experience.

Yah, that Hornady manual is crazy lawyerized.

The worst I can think of off the top of my head, actually.

If memory serves, according to Hornady, 300 grain .375 RUM loads are 150 fps slower than Sierra's manual (and my experience). 150 fps with a 300 grain bullet is a major difference.

Having checked about ten different cartridges I reload for in my Hornady manual, and compared them to my real-world expernience, as well as other manuals, it seems like Hornady's loads are often 100 - 200 fps slow.

 

[c-fbmi]

One last but very important question for ivor........do you own a chronograph?


Getting back to the 26 Nosler....................the real point of this thread, not 264 WM vs 270 Win.

Andy, your 6.5X300 Win should be virtually identical to the new Nosler, the Nosler case may still have a bit more capacity but should be real close. Actually on second thought it is likely closer to the STW case, I was thinking about the Ruger case, which we all assumed it was on initially because of the incomplete drawings posted a while back.
I was going to build a 6.5X300 WM years back but never got around to it, was looking for a 264 take-off barrel but couldn't find one right then, ended up building a 7X300 WM and then a 7X68 imp.

Has anyone out there done comparative case capacities with the Dakota line up of cartridges?

 

[Gatehouse]

I cannot understand why the 257 Wby and 7mm Rem Mag are lauded as awesome in all regards, but the 264 Win Mag is a "barrel-burner, and no better than the 270". They all share essentially the same cartridge and only differ by a few percent in bore diameter.

Please too, let's rise above the old myth that the 264 Win Mag "needs a 26" barrel". I have a 6.5-300 Win Mag with a 24" barrel, and 3300 fps is not difficult with a full case of a very slow powder like US869. I could still crack 3100 with a 20" barrel.

Good post, Andy.

 

[25tikka]

Well I just got my 26 nosler in the nosler patriot. I haven't had much time to play with it yet but accuracy is outstanding. 140 gr accubond is the only factory round I could get so far. I tried a few 127 gr lrx Barnes reloads with 869 powder. Both will go under a half inch at 100 yards. I have a huskemaw 5x20x50 blue diamond on it. Using posted velocities ( haven't had a chance to chrono it yet) and data from the hornady ballistic calculator, I am able to hit quite well out to 800 yards so far. For an out of the box system, it seems great so far. Rifle fit and finish is great and both loads hit same poi at 100 yards. Once I get a chance to get a few groups figured out at 1000 yards I will get the appropriate turret from huskemaw. All in all I am very pleased with the quality and performance. The massive cut blocks here in bc left over from the pine beetle kill should be great test grounds. Moose and deer opened yesterday. The fun begins