26" OAL 10-22, has anyone made one with a pistol grip stock

With the boyds evo my 9" just clears the forend, just the threaded portion protrudes. With an 8.5" you would have no issues with that, and with a muzzle device, you would come slightly past, almost flush. I picked the evo for this reason, no modifications due to the forend design.
 
a word of advice guys flash hiders and muzzle attatcement dont count toward overall length i am pretty sure that but pads count so long as there screwed in place and not like the one i seen on the tapco stock that is a slip on i think the shortest barrel you could go with an m4 type colapsing stock would probably be about the 10 inch mark
 
Jimbo45, do you have a reference to where muzzle attachments do NOT count in the overall length of a firearm? I know they don't count towards barrel length for determining legal classifications that hinge upon barrel length, but I don't recall anything about them not counting towards OAL of the firearm.

My Tapco stock with the butt fully collapsed and no add-on recoil pad measures 665mm, so a barrel that is too short to extend past the end of the forearm shouldn't make it non-restricted.
 
you may be rite on that i forgot there for a second were talking 22 here i would imagine a call to cfc should get the answers ,iam also building a shortie ruger based on the rhineland arms rail stock and am looking at the nice kidd 10 inch barrels
 
Fyn said:
With the boyds evo my 9" just clears the forend, just the threaded portion protrudes. With an 8.5" you would have no issues with that, and with a muzzle device, you would come slightly past, almost flush. I picked the evo for this reason, no modifications due to the forend design.
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jt_trouble said:
All the stocks I have seen all have fore stocks that measure 12" (1"-/+). So whichever you buy, you will still have to chop them down to fit a 8.5" barrel.
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why do you have to chop them down? Is there is rule against a barrel being shorter / inside the stock? What if you just leave it as is and the barrel is hidden inside the stock

jt_trouble said:
Yes that would be collapsed. If the barrel is any shorter, the forestock would be longer than the barrel.
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why is that a problem?

jt_trouble said:
the flash hider or muzzle brake does not add length to the barrel unless it is permanently attached IIRC.
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what does barrel length have to do with rimfires
 
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dHb said:
Jimbo45, do you have a reference to where muzzle attachments do NOT count in the overall length of a firearm? I know they don't count towards barrel length for determining legal classifications that hinge upon barrel length, but I don't recall anything about them not counting towards OAL of the firearm.

My Tapco stock with the butt fully collapsed and no add-on recoil pad measures 665mm, so a barrel that is too short to extend past the end of the forearm shouldn't make it non-restricted.
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this is something id like a definitive answer on aswell. im doing a 8" dlask build right now with a hogue overmould stock cut down ann im sitting just over(minimal) the 26 inch mark without my xb5 muzzle device. i based my measurements without the muzzle brake just incase, but it would be nice to know if it was counted into the overal length.
 
dHb said:
My Tapco stock with the butt fully collapsed and no add-on recoil pad measures 665mm, so a barrel that is too short to extend past the end of the forearm shouldn't make it non-restricted.
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Correct. I don’t see anywhere that ties in Overall Length to barrel length. Two separate topics. A Tapco stock collapsed is about 27”. The only way you get that 10/22 under 27” to take a hacksaw to the stock. The barrel length is completely irrelevant. I’m still trying to figure out why people in this thread are telling others that they have to cut their stock if the barrel is shorter than the stock. Who cares. So the barrel is inside the forend / handguard. So what, I think it looks cool. If you have an 8” barrel on a tapco it will be inside the stock and it will still be unrestricted. Go with it.

PS, Love how i posted some actual legitimate questions and got zero replies today while the worthless thread about someone dry firing his rimfire is already like 4 pages in 4 hours
 
Well if you had actually built and fired a gun with the barrel back in the forend then you would already know that the empty barrel channel will get stained black/grey with powder residue and lead buildup. You would know how ugly that is, along with how wrong it looks to extend the forend past the muzzle. Nobody does it so its become a standard thing to make sure the forend doesnt extend past the muzzle. It looks wierd and causes issues like staining and the potential to trap debris that could be struck by a bullet. Your "legitime" questions arent getting answered because of this. The dry firing thread is not worthless if you actually read the posts but I understand some people on this forum just dont have time for that. And FWIW LEOs are trained to measure OAL along the centerline of the bore from muzzle to butt. That came from another member who was so-trained. On top of that, once an LEO asks to inspect your firearms you are at his/her mercy. If they say its not legal than the guns get confiscated, your vehicle can be searched and confiscated and you can even be arrested and charged if you cant prove them wrong. Its their word against yours and you are not paid to enforce laws. Roll the dice

Devilito said:
Correct. I don’t see anywhere that ties in Overall Length to barrel length. Two separate topics. A Tapco stock collapsed is about 27”. The only way you get that 10/22 under 27” to take a hacksaw to the stock. The barrel length is completely irrelevant. I’m still trying to figure out why people in this thread are telling others that they have to cut their stock if the barrel is shorter than the stock. Who cares. So the barrel is inside the forend / handguard. So what, I think it looks cool. If you have an 8” barrel on a tapco it will be inside the stock and it will still be unrestricted. Go with it.

PS, Love how i posted some actual legitimate questions and got zero replies today while the worthless thread about someone dry firing his rimfire is already like 4 pages in 4 hours
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supernova said:
Well if you had actually built and fired a gun with the barrel back in the forend then you would already know that the empty barrel channel will get stained black/grey with powder residue and lead buildup. You would know how ugly that is, along with how wrong it looks to extend the forend past the muzzle. Nobody does it so its become a standard thing to make sure the forend doesnt extend past the muzzle. It looks wierd and causes issues like staining and the potential to trap debris that could be struck by a bullet. Your "legitime" questions arent getting answered because of this. The dry firing thread is not worthless if you actually read the posts but I understand some people on this forum just dont have time for that. And FWIW LEOs are trained to measure OAL along the centerline of the bore from muzzle to butt. That came from another member who was so-trained. On top of that, once an LEO asks to inspect your firearms you are at his/her mercy. If they say its not legal than the guns get confiscated, your vehicle can be searched and confiscated and you can even be arrested and charged if you cant prove them wrong. Its their word against yours and you are not paid to enforce laws. Roll the dice
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that's good info, thanks!
 
Here you go, we did a minimalist build for a customer, Butler creek stock, pinned open, 8.5 Dlask barrel, drum mag, 26 1/4" OAL....

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What do you have to do to have a collapsible stock legally considered to be "pinned"? Is there any way to do it easily on a Butler Creek folding stock and have it reversible?
 
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