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In all seriousness, the 30 cal bullets drop like a stone , very hard to hit anything with any accuracy, and the .277 cal are way too light for N.American game, 7mm chamberings are what should be looked at here. 
270 or 30-06 Spfld
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In all seriousness, the 30 cal bullets drop like a stone , very hard to hit anything with any accuracy, and the .277 cal are way too light for N.American game, 7mm chamberings are what should be looked at here.
Strange, on a good day (read no wind or mirage) I've been able to hit 12" targets at 1000 and beyond with both .308 and .30/06 rifles, loaded with match bullets and my marksmanship prowess is far below that of many on here, although my handloads might be a tad better than average.
If you are choosing between the .270, .280, and .30/06 hunting rifle there is no wrong answer. Go to a gun store, pick out a rifle that really catches your imagination and buy it regardless of the chambering. The choice of the right rifle, bullet, and scope is far more critical than the choice of the head-stamp on the cartridge in the chamber.
I always get a kick out of the fact that when someone asks for help in deciding between two specific options, every second post recommends something totally different. He clearly needs a .416 supper extra short buffalo masher, or maybe a stealth cruiser with a railgun!!!!
But since the question was .270 OR 30-06 I will say 30-06 is the better choice for an all around deer, elk and bear rifle.
But since the question was .270 OR 30-06 I will say 30-06 is the better choice for an all around deer, elk and bear rifle.
I'm gonna weigh in here as well on the '06.
I have fired the .270, I own a .308 and 2 '06s. Luckily the .270, the .308, and one '06 were the same rifle, so comparative testing was available.
I have noticed that my .308 delivers a more noticeable felt recoil than either the .270 or the .30-06. There has been no noticeable difference to game. They each dropped game the same way under similar circumstances.
And as for action length, I have never really noticed a difference when I am hunting. Action is cycled automatically, without thinking. And I haven't needed to take a second, instant, follow-up shot for a number of years now. One shot, animal down within seconds. No shots at game running away, so action length doesn't matter as much as confidence in where you put the bullet and that once there, it will do the job.
I have fired the .270, I own a .308 and 2 '06s. Luckily the .270, the .308, and one '06 were the same rifle, so comparative testing was available.
I have noticed that my .308 delivers a more noticeable felt recoil than either the .270 or the .30-06. There has been no noticeable difference to game. They each dropped game the same way under similar circumstances.
And as for action length, I have never really noticed a difference when I am hunting. Action is cycled automatically, without thinking. And I haven't needed to take a second, instant, follow-up shot for a number of years now. One shot, animal down within seconds. No shots at game running away, so action length doesn't matter as much as confidence in where you put the bullet and that once there, it will do the job.
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Same here. I knew there is a little difference but I didn't realise it was such a nearly insurmountable task, for some to contend with.
My 270 is the best hunting rifle ever built for the simple reason that I have confidence in it.
That's really what should count. Both calibers will kill the game you mentioned dead as long as you do your part.
That's really what should count. Both calibers will kill the game you mentioned dead as long as you do your part.
Rocket Surgery
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This is true. 270 and 30-06 are going to kill deer dead and you can't go wrong with either of them for knockdown and accuracy, but whyyyyyy would you punish yourself with a long action cartridge when you can go .308 is mind boggling. The only reason I can see going 30-06 or 270 is if you inherit the rifle, get a good deal on one, or just generally feel familiar with the platform. I hunt only with rifles I know inside and out, and I don't mean stripping them down to clean. I like to know how to take every part off, the ROT of the rifling, the type of lube it likes, and ballistics for whatever commercial ammo I'm using at different ranges.
If you go 30-06 over other 30cals for extra power, why not just go 300win mag. You're gaining what, 5% on .308?
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They both make holes in things, one makes a slightly smaller hole than the other.
The victim of the so called hole whether it be a piece of paper, game animal or Lund boat won't know the difference, although the boat may take a few seconds longer to sink with a .277" hole.
The victim of the so called hole whether it be a piece of paper, game animal or Lund boat won't know the difference, although the boat may take a few seconds longer to sink with a .277" hole.
I got a T/C Impact. Really happy with it, just waiting to shoot it now.
No scope just Iron sights. .... Well fiber optic.
Perfect hunting rifle I think. Light enough to carry all day with enough power to take down the biggest game. I like the idea how a muzzleloader forces you to change your game as well. Forces you to get in range.
Looking forward to hunting alot this year now.
No scope just Iron sights. .... Well fiber optic.
Perfect hunting rifle I think. Light enough to carry all day with enough power to take down the biggest game. I like the idea how a muzzleloader forces you to change your game as well. Forces you to get in range.
Looking forward to hunting alot this year now.
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and then we read in a different post............
I guess there are those who'll substitute the spray and pray method in a weaker caliber in exchange for the unmanageable recoil of a 270 or 30-06.
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and then we read in a different post............
I guess there are those who'll substitute the spray and pray method in a weaker caliber in exchange for the unmanageable recoil of a 270 or 30-06.
You're slipping!!
You forgot about the punishing LLLLLoooooooggggg action cartridge bolt pull.bearkilr
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Right, sorry. Short actions are for those of us with stubby T-Rex arms.You're slipping!!
So, I have read your rant on several pages in numerous threads. I have come to the same conclusions others have stated this week in several threads. You, Sir, are full of SH!T That being said, and in defense of that statement...
I have a few questions:
1. Why the he!! are you raving about the advantages of the short action length, the unforgivably horrendous torture inflicted on a user of any standard length action, and the absolute disbelief you have that anyone would subject themselves to such an arduous task, when you don't even own a bolt action .308 yourself??
2. Other than the .30-30, the #4, and the Mosin-Nagant (NOT SIMPLY MOSIN, airhead) carbine; all of your rifles (except the JW-25) are semi-automatic. I'll bet that shortens the bolt throw for you!! And you probably don't notice if they happen to be a little sloppy, do you?
3. How can you stand owning bolt action rifles that have such long and sloppy bolt throws, along with a "potato masher" feel when you throw them.
How can you justify the extra length of the of the bolt action rifles you do own when they don't even measure up to the .308. I mean the .303Br doesn't even measure up to the Mighty .308Win, and the 7.62x54R cartridge barely beats it!
Soooo ... whyyyyyy would you punish yourself with a long(er) action cartridge when you can go .308 is mind boggling? But yet, that is what you own in bolt action rifles. Longer actions with less performance.
As a matter of fact, the .308 with a 150gn bullet and a Varget load gets 2935fps. The 7.62x54R, with the same powder and bullet,gets only 2985fps. Now that's only 50fps in a 7.62x54R cartridge. That's only a 1.5% gain over the .308, yet YOU own a Mosin-Nagant chambered for a LONGER 7.62x54R cartridge but NOT a bolt action .308Win.
At the same time YOU own a #4 Chambered for a .303Br that, with the same bullet (albeit in .311") and the same powder, only gets 2650fps. That is a HUGE loss of performance, a whopping loss of 287fps, almost a FULL 10% less than the mighty, much vaunted, utterly beloved by you, .308Win which, oh yeah, you don't own any of.
Each of these bolt action rifles that you do actually own (and have admitted to hunting with them in other posts) has a longer bolt throw than your adored .308Win (of which you don't own any) and yet you have the absolute audacity to think you could hold your own with many of the members here who have fired more real rifle rounds than you have with your .22's.
Please tell me how you came to these stupendous conclusions and explain the commensurate evidence you have to support it, when you don't even have the firearms to back it up.
I am getting fairly tired of your argumentative and totally unsubstantiated posts but I was willing to let you run for awhile and, like an annoying itch, ignore you until you went away. However, after reading a fair number of your posts, I have come to the conclusion that you are a troll.
You come on here and want to run with the big boys, ranting and raving, well, cite your sources or tuck in your tail and go home. Many of the guys on here can, and would, run circles around you discussing "ballistics of the commercial ammo at different ranges" or "knowing the rifles you use inside and out" (somewhere on this site you have stated that you didn't know that removing a bayonet would change your point of impact!! Seriously, you didn't know that removing 2-3lbs of metal from the front of your rifle would change the POI? Luckily you know the weapons inside and out). I'm one of the guys that can talk ballistics with you, and I am not nearly one of the smart ones. We know the ballistics of not only the "commercial ammo" we use but also the ballistics of the ammo we make ourselves.
You aren't even in the right league yet, son. You are playing "T"-ball and the guys here are Major League. Hang up your cleats, shut your mouth, and listen. You might even surprise yourself and learn something, but probably not...
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