.270 or 30-06

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If you were to pick a rifle for big game like deer, moose and black bear which round would be the better choice assuming there is no law restrictions?

I understand that the 30-06 would be better for moose but is it overkill on whitetail? On the otherhand a .270 Win would work great for deer but would it be undergunned on a bull moose?

Does either one of these rounds cover the "big game" spectrum better than the other?
Autumn of 2019, I was on a track of a 6x6, 180 class whitetail buck and stumbled across 7 bull elk in single file, standing and not moving. I was ready to let them pass and continue on after the buck, however, I thought about my 75 year old uncle who was hunting with me, and would love an elk. I looked for a tasty bull and killed him with one shot (tight behind the front leg) with my 270 Winchester, 130gr. Nosler Accubonds.
A good quality bullet, with perfect shot placement is key. BTW, I killed 7 other bulls, most with the good ole 30-06.
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I asked this question of a friend who has used both extensively some time ago. Here was his reply.

“That is a tough one, but I will give you my personal assessment. I have been using both since the mid 90's. At first, I used the two mixed in with several 7mm and 300 mags, but have hunted almost exclusively with a 270 or 30-06 since 2008.

The 30-06 has a much better selection of bullets available, both in factory loads and component bullets. You can find almost any bullet you could possibly conceive from lightweight varmint bullets to 250 grain Woodleighs. The 1-10' or 1-11" twist you find in most 30-06's will stabilize most of them. I think this is due to the fact that 220's were a fairly common load from the early days of the 30-06.

Like all older cartridges, new powders have given the 30-06 velocities that were unheard of 20 years ago. 150's at 3100 or so, 165's around 2950-3000, 180's around 2850 and 200's at 2750 are all easy to achieve. At that point, it is pretty hard to say a 270 has any real world advantage. I doubt a hunter would notice much difference in a 150 grain 30 caliber bullet at 3100 or a 130 grain 270 caliber bullet at 3100, without getting too gacky. about SD or frontal area.

Last summer I spent some time with my new 30-06 loaded with the 212 ELDX and R26. I was able to get 2750 without any effort at all and the cases have been fired 8-10 times and are still trucking along. That brings up another point, that Lapua brass is readily available for the 30-06, if a guy likes Lapua brass. The 270 has a smaller selection of better quality brass. I recently got 100 pieces of RWS 270 brass. I paid more than Lapua and while good, it is not as consistent as the Lapua.

As far as effect on game goes.....I have not been able to discern any difference on sheep and deer sized game. Both will kill with more power than is necessary. In my experience, I think I have seen more 'effect, or impact, or reaction to the shot' or whatever you like to call it with a 30-06 on animals starting with grizzly, caribou, and elk sized stuff. It may be a mental thing, but I would rather carry a bloody pack full of caribou meat through the alders with a 30-06 loaded with .308, 220 grain Partitions (or whatnot) than .277, 160 grain Partitions.

I will probably always have a 270, as I am a far gone O'Connor fan, and my wife likes to shoot my 270 due to the slightly lower recoil with 130's. Having said that, I have spent hundreds of hours with Brad O'Connor over the years, including staying at his house multiple times, and he claims Jack would always say the 30-06 was a more versatile all around cartridge. He will then point out that while he always had a 270 available while hunting in Canada, that something like 11 of Jacks 12 grizzlies were taken with the 30-06's he also had along on the trips.

Another guy I know, who is a dyed in the wool 270 guy, goes to Africa every year on high volume plains game hunts. He sees literally dozens and dozens of animals taken every year, from impala to eland. Multiple times in the last few years he has told me that while he still loves his 270's, he has found the 30-06 to be a little better on the bigger plains game. And as John Oosthuizen once told me, if you run out of 30-06 ammo, just look under the floormats in the Land Cruiser….there will be some there.“

Well I’d like to say that’s why I own 3 30-06’s!!! This explain it really well!! Thank you for that!!
 
Go for the 30-06 because even though the game animals wouldn't notice the 270 the other hunters in the camp would and you'd get tired of justifying the ballistics ;)

And this here is the best answer. People that don't understand physics in a hunt camp can become really annoying lol.
 
Don't get either, Get a 280 Ackley or a Wby 6.5 RPM.......failing those two you could settle for the most popular cartridge on the planet right now the 6.5 PRC.......




Why would anyone want a cartridge thats of a 100 year old design......out with the old in with the new !
 
The obvious answer for a gun looney is neither because he will have already at least 4 specialized "deer" rifles and a a couple honking medium bore "moose" rifles to brag about.

Buying the recommended 30-06 would make his entire collection of obscure, brag worthy chamberings redundant and he knows it.

I can say that, because I am that guy. :)
 
The obvious answer for a gun looney is neither because he will have already at least 4 specialized "deer" rifles and a a couple honking medium bore "moose" rifles to brag about.

Buying the recommended 30-06 would make his entire collection of obscure, brag worthy chamberings redundant and he knows it.

I can say that, because I am that guy. :)

Yeah... there are quite a few of us around here... we should probably be sitting in a circle in the Township Community center...
 
The obvious answer for a gun looney is neither because he will have already at least 4 specialized "deer" rifles and a a couple honking medium bore "moose" rifles to brag about.

Buying the recommended 30-06 would make his entire collection of obscure, brag worthy chamberings redundant and he knows it.

I can say that, because I am that guy. :)

And;), you're not the only one. Among the 'variety' of items in my safe, included is a model 4000 Husqvarna light weight in :), .30-06 that I inherited from my Dad. And :redface:, to make sure I have ALL the bases covered, I have a pair of .270's.
 
Oh here we go again with the .300 wonderful. :)

You know what's really funny? I'm a died in the wool 7mm guy, always have been. Like my big bores too, and swatting big stuff with them. Long range? Well I do have some Lieutenant Governor’s medals that suggest that I'm not the worst at it. Small bores and hyper speed? binderanddundat Big game kills into the thousands? Yawn.

Looking back over that; there wasn't much of that that I couldn't have done with the incredibly boring 300 Win. :)
 
You know what's really funny? I'm a died in the wool 7mm guy, always have been. Like my big bores too, and swatting big stuff with them. Long range? Well I do have some Lieutenant Governor’s medals that suggest that I'm not the worst at it. Small bores and hyper speed? binderanddundat Big game kills into the thousands? Yawn.

Looking back over that; there wasn't much of that that I couldn't have done with the incredibly boring 300 Win. :)

The .300 WM is a very good cartridge... most of the flack comes from guys on the flip side of the coin from the "If it ain't got Magnum in its name, it ain't gonna work" crew... namely the "I'm scared of anything with Magnum in its name" crew.
 
You know what's really funny? I'm a died in the wool 7mm guy, always have been. Like my big bores too, and swatting big stuff with them. Long range? Well I do have some Lieutenant Governor’s medals that suggest that I'm not the worst at it. Small bores and hyper speed? binderanddundat Big game kills into the thousands? Yawn.

Looking back over that; there wasn't much of that that I couldn't have done with the incredibly boring 300 Win. :)


I don’t need .300’s around reminding me how redundant my collection is! I’ll continue to bury my head in the sand and dream up the perfect rifle for every single scenario I probably won’t even encounter!
 
The .300 WM is a very good cartridge... most of the flack comes from guys on the flip side of the coin from the "If it ain't got Magnum in its name, it ain't gonna work" crew... namely the "I'm scared of anything with Magnum in its name" crew.

:redface: There's another one that I've doubled up on ;) sort of. I have a 300 WM and one of my favorites, a 308 NM.
 
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