Ballistic for moose?
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Ballistic for moose?
I shot a large cow moose with Winchester ballistic silver tip. (308)
It was a heart shot and went through. There were a lot of fragments left inside, but still a large exit hole. Just under 200 yards, so maybe it slowed enough to not “explode” too much.
It was a heart shot and went through. There were a lot of fragments left inside, but still a large exit hole. Just under 200 yards, so maybe it slowed enough to not “explode” too much.
A moose hit in the upper 1/3 of the body doesn't bleed out much like the lower 1/3 RE: plumbing and gravity. The Ballistic Tips vary caliber to caliber better than the Solid Base they replaced but nothing I trust.High shoulder hits plant a moose right where he's standing.{spined}Partitions have always worked like they should and are capable of breaking a shoulder to get to the lungs.Even a 140gr 6.5 will.Pointless citing hip or gut shot and bullets as a bad shot is a bad shot.A good shot and a bad bullet is a nightmare leaving one wishing they hadn't been so cheap as to not buy high end slugs in the first place saving animal suffering and an unfilled tag.False economy IMO
The others are right. The ballistic tip is a cup and core bullet, and isn't as sturdy in construction as the others mentioned. Larger game are better suited to heavier bullet constructions which include features like bonded jackets.
I have 150gr partitions on the shelf that I was planning to load for moose this year, but I never got a load done up in time. I want to try the 130gr tsx at some point too, the weight retention on them is ridiculous.
I have 150gr partitions on the shelf that I was planning to load for moose this year, but I never got a load done up in time. I want to try the 130gr tsx at some point too, the weight retention on them is ridiculous.
Would love too see a Picture of the Bush you hunt in... I sense you're worried about losing one due to lack of blood due to one entry hole and perhaps, thick thick scrub where to lose a moose in 15, must be lucky too see said moose at 15?
Our Deer typically run 100meters with double Lung shots, the "smaller" cals don't exit, rarely drop mass amounts of blood, but the animals cough up pretty soon...
Our Deer typically run 100meters with double Lung shots, the "smaller" cals don't exit, rarely drop mass amounts of blood, but the animals cough up pretty soon...
Nosler only offers the Accubond in .277" in 130gr & 140gr
IMO...270 + moose = 130gr Barnes TTSX, 129gr LRX, 130gr GMX, 140gr Accubond, 140gr Partition, 150gr Partition, 160gr Partition, 140gr A-Frame, 150gr A-Frame. Take your pick. Place it well.
Here is a Quote from Chuck Hawks:
"Although the concept of a dual core bullet is shared with the earlier Nosler Partition bullet, the performance of the A-Frame and Partition are different. John Nosler found that to achieve quick kills on medium (CXP2) game, it was desirable for the front part of his Partition bullet to expand rapidly. The core of a Partition is not bonded to the jacket and recovered bullets typically retain about 65% of their original weight. The A-Frame's cross member is thicker and farther forward in the bullet, its jacket is thicker and its bonded core prevents almost all lead loss after impact. It is a tougher bullet that retains almost all of its weight after impact and penetrates considerably deeper. At least in theory, the A-Frame should produce a narrower and longer wound cavity than the Partition, whose crush cavity is wider and shorter."
Further - Hawk notes:
"I have not shot animals side by side under controlled conditions with identical caliber and weight Nosler Partition and Swift A-Frame bullets, but my impression is that the Partition, in appropriate calibers, drops thin-skinned game quicker than the A-Frame (not that the A-Frame will not do the job on CXP2 and CXP3 game). The A-Frame, in appropriate calibers, delivers the extremely deep penetration required for thick-skinned game more reliably than the Partition. Indeed, in Africa the A-Frame is considered one of the best dangerous game bullets and it is widely recommended for hunting Cape buffalo. Here in North America, the A-Frame is highly regarded for shooting moose, brown bear and bison. I use A-Frames in my .338 Win. and .458 Win. Magnums and they deliver surprisingly good accuracy in both calibers, at least in my rifles."
I have tried Nosler Partitions in factory loads in my 270, 30-06 and 300 WSM and the accuracy out of these premium loads did not suit any of these rifles. They were clearly outside of MOA and were around 2" at best at 100 yards... That's not good enough for me so I use other ammo for those deer slayers...
"Although the concept of a dual core bullet is shared with the earlier Nosler Partition bullet, the performance of the A-Frame and Partition are different. John Nosler found that to achieve quick kills on medium (CXP2) game, it was desirable for the front part of his Partition bullet to expand rapidly. The core of a Partition is not bonded to the jacket and recovered bullets typically retain about 65% of their original weight. The A-Frame's cross member is thicker and farther forward in the bullet, its jacket is thicker and its bonded core prevents almost all lead loss after impact. It is a tougher bullet that retains almost all of its weight after impact and penetrates considerably deeper. At least in theory, the A-Frame should produce a narrower and longer wound cavity than the Partition, whose crush cavity is wider and shorter."
Further - Hawk notes:
"I have not shot animals side by side under controlled conditions with identical caliber and weight Nosler Partition and Swift A-Frame bullets, but my impression is that the Partition, in appropriate calibers, drops thin-skinned game quicker than the A-Frame (not that the A-Frame will not do the job on CXP2 and CXP3 game). The A-Frame, in appropriate calibers, delivers the extremely deep penetration required for thick-skinned game more reliably than the Partition. Indeed, in Africa the A-Frame is considered one of the best dangerous game bullets and it is widely recommended for hunting Cape buffalo. Here in North America, the A-Frame is highly regarded for shooting moose, brown bear and bison. I use A-Frames in my .338 Win. and .458 Win. Magnums and they deliver surprisingly good accuracy in both calibers, at least in my rifles."
I have tried Nosler Partitions in factory loads in my 270, 30-06 and 300 WSM and the accuracy out of these premium loads did not suit any of these rifles. They were clearly outside of MOA and were around 2" at best at 100 yards... That's not good enough for me so I use other ammo for those deer slayers...
Never found Partitions inaccurate in any of my guns......... certainly not 2" groups.Chuck Hawes can be a little flaky at times.Not sure who's payroll he's on but if you don't like them don't use them.I've been going through Nosler Partitions [factory seconds] with slight cosmetic blemishes for years now with great accuracy and performance.a fellow was selling them at various central AB gun shows over the years.
Haha that was exactly what happened with mine. To some of the other statement I'm not necessarily complaining about the performance of my bullets but I realised that after this my first moose hunting experience that I may not be using the most appropriate ammunition for the task and very grateful for the the information I've gotten on here as it will be invaluable moving forward
Well it did it’s job, but it is nice when there’s two holes to drain the life out of the critter.
True . On the other hand would they be deader ?
