270 vs 280. thoughts?

i will be reloading as well so not worried about the availability of ammunition. in terms of recoil i will have break on it, and i always wear hearing protection. i also shoot on private land and have my "range" setup there. recoil of 280 without break is significant? compared to 270? i know load will change this just curious. what people actual experiences are. thanks

The difference between a .270 Winchester and a .280 Remington is a bullet that is 7 thousands of an inch different in diameter with cases of the same capacity. All else being equal ends up with no real difference in recoil or performance.

Brake is spelled b r a k e not - break. If you brake it the recoil will be greatly reduced. Different brakes vary in how they handle the noise factor. To start with brakes do not increase the noise level. Center fire rifles are loud to start with. Brakes can cause a re direction of the blast that may feel like it is louder. Some brakes are worse at this than others. Some have a real hate for brakes... most likely they have been beside one when fired... beside a brake is not the place to be...
 
Not many animals could tell you the difference between getting shot with a 270 or 280 but the 280 does have a very small ballistics advantage.

The muzzle brake won't hurt your scope but it will do far more damage to your ears if you forget to put your muffs on and it will annoy the heck out of other shooters at the range with the concussion wave it sends out. The extra couple of inches in length will also annoy you when shooting in the brush!
 
Get a 30-06 and forget the rest, you never know what may come around. 30-06 is the minimum caliber for some big game in Canada. The 270 and 280 have no advantage over the -06 and recoil is only slightly more.
 
They are both so similar...270 is a bit faster/higher pressure, I like to run lighter bonded or solids fast, pretty deadly combo on deer and flat shooting.
I went with a 7x64 due to a good deal, which is pretty close to the 280, I like to use it for shorter range with heavier pills, and not fussy about using cup/core with it, 175gr's does a nice job on med/large game.
 
thanks for the feed back everyone.
what im hearing is what i suspected. not a lot of difference between the two. 280 is more rare and that can be a problem.
i guess my next question would be.

what should i get? the 7-08 is quite similar to 270 from what i read. im looking for hunting. something that will do more than my -08. or at least be different so i can justify having two guns. thoughts? again i hunt prairies, dropped two white tail bucks over 300 yards this year. wife first was 190 yards. the terrain dictates longer shots than i did while hunting bc.
took a moose last year with 7-08 as well.

You kind of answered your own question now didn't ya? ;)

If what you are looking for is justification and more pop than your 7/08 just go get a big 30 and stop splitting hairs as there is not enough difference in the chamberings being discussed to make a difference.

Forget about the brake if you can handle recoil of a moderate firearm like listed here.
 
I've owned and used both a fair amount over the years , they're both capable and reliable cartridges . I've never seen any difference in performance between the two when using bullets of similiar construction . I'm not a fan of brakes at all , you shouldn't need one on a rifle that fits you properly , which brings me to my last point . I'd be more concerned about rifle fit than the ballistic difference between the two cartridges .
As you've pointed out , the 7mm/08 is a very capable round in it's own right . The 270 / 280 will shoot flatter and retain higher energy levels further out than the 7/08 but the difference isn't that big IMHO .
 
Big difference between the 7mm08 and the 270/280 is muzzle velocity. If you don't want as much recoil as a 7mm rem mag, then a 30-06 is out.

The one other thing to consider is one of the smaller magnums, like the 257 Weatherby or 264 Win Mag, or something a bit more oddball like 6.5-284. All of those will give you flatter trajectory than 7mm08 without getting to 7mm rem mag recoil (although the 264win mag is getting really close)

If you're biggest goal is 300+yd shots on whitetails its hard to argue with a 257 Weatherby...
 
Just buy the 270. Hardly any use dicking around with anything else for a low recoil 300 yard whitetail gun.
 
thanks for the feed back everyone.
what im hearing is what i suspected. not a lot of difference between the two. 280 is more rare and that can be a problem.
i guess my next question would be.

what should i get? the 7-08 is quite similar to 270 from what i read. im looking for hunting. something that will do more than my -08. or at least be different so i can justify having two guns. thoughts? again i hunt prairies, dropped two white tail bucks over 300 yards this year. wife first was 190 yards. the terrain dictates longer shots than i did while hunting bc.
took a moose last year with 7-08 as well.

Sounds like you answered your own question. If you already have a rifle that you shoot well enough and are comfortable enough to drop a white tail at 300+ yards a .270 or a .280 won't give you much more. If you want to justify a new rifle no matter what.....Moving up to elk or moose at that range you will get an advantage with those two cartridges over the 7-08 (flatter shooting with bigger bullets) but if that is the case I think you will see more benefit in a 30-06 or a .280ai (while only gaining a marginal amount of recoil). Hope that is helpful and have fun gun shopping. ;)
 
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I have used both the 270 and 280 over the past 30 years, and there is marginal difference between the two. As great as the 270 is (and factory ammunition is loaded for better performance than the 280 due to rifles the 280 were introduced in), I prefer the 280 Rem with the 160/162 gr bullets. The new 165 gr Gamechanger from Sierra will be a great bullet in this cartridge too.
As you are reloading, the 280 makes more sense, as you already are using .284 bullets and have them on hand. And at least for me, everyone has a 270 or a 30-06; it was nice to have something a bit different.

Recoil wise, muzzle brakes will reduce felt recoil, but are not the better option. As mentioned above, they are extremely noisy, the air movement off of them is something you must experience first hand at the range to appreciate (just sit or stand to the side of someone shooting a braked rifle; it is not pleasant. It is very loud and feels like you were just slapped by a linebacker), your wife will not want to shoot with you, and if you go on a guided hunt, neither will your guide! If you are prone or sitting, the leaves, grass, dust or snow is going to fly and obstruct your sight picture of the game you are shooting at.

If you do not like recoil, use a cartidge and rifle stock configuration that suits you and learn how to hunt better. Getting closer to your game reduces required velocity/energy, and provides for a more enjoyable experience. The proper rifle stock configuration for you will depend on your physical build (ie. short neck/round face, long neck/oval face and actual felt recoil of straight (classic) stocked rifles and monte carlo stocked rifles) only trying them will determine which suits you better. Try some friends guns or buy a couple of boxes of ammo and try some used guns from your local gun store. Some people will say that the classic stocked rifle will provide less felt recoil, but the truth is, that it depends on the individual's physical build, and we are not all built the same.

And use ear plugs and ear muffs when practicing! More people flinch from the noise of the rifle than from the actual recoil! Evident when watching them shoot small calibers. The old test was having someone else load your rifle, and then having you shoot. The person will still blink, close their eyes, jerk their trigger (flinch), even when there isn't a round in the chamber. And it does not matter whether it is a 22 LR or a 375 H&H. It still happens.

I developed a flinch as a young shooter from a magna-porteed 300 Win Mag. Unfortunately, once you have a flinch, it is yours forever. The only way to reduce your flinch is by spending time at the range shooting rifles in smaller cartridges and focusing on your breathing, trigger control and keeping both eyes open as the rifle is fired. The 22 LR is the best place to start with this practice. I find it takes 200 to 300 rounds every year to get back to where I am not blinking as the rifle goes off. And I wear plugs and muffs. I also have new shooters do this when I am teaching them to shoot, or shoot larger calibers. Want to set them up to win, and enjoy this sport and past time, and not develop a flinch.

Best of luck to you!
 
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