270 vs 30-06
- Thread starter Gatehouse
- Start date
Contrary to popular belief, replacing the barrel on the 710 is quite easy. The best way to replace the barrel according to those who've successfully done it is to buy a new gun. Remember to throw the old barrel out - it's useless once you have the new one.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
270?
or
30-06?
or
30-06?
- Location
- South Cariboo, BC
Rohann said:
If you are using 30.06 for bear defence in your 710, I guarantee your screams will be very girly! :lol:
Haha there is no way I'd ever own a 710; if someone gave it to me as a "present" I'd club them back to their senses.
It's true, your screams probably would be very girly, but the cartridge itself isn't. Now it's not the best idea to use a bolt-action .30-06 for Grizzly hunting, but I think I'd use an M1 .30-06 or a decent semi for bear defence (along with a shotgun loaded with 000 Buck and slugs just in case :wink: ).
-Rohann
It's true, your screams probably would be very girly, but the cartridge itself isn't. Now it's not the best idea to use a bolt-action .30-06 for Grizzly hunting, but I think I'd use an M1 .30-06 or a decent semi for bear defence (along with a shotgun loaded with 000 Buck and slugs just in case :wink: ).
-Rohann
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Thats all I got to say about that statement... :roll:
Put the bullet where it needs to go and it'll do the job. I'd use a .30-06 for defence, but as I said I'd have a shotgun just in case. Grizzlies can be huge, but at times they can be about the same size as a black bear.
-Rohann
-Rohann
You are serious aren't you... you must have tons of bear experience too... I can tell ... I think you should post a bear defense thread with all your personal observations and tips .... specially the buckshot one... thats top notch... I'm serious :wink:
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
Use the small buckshot, more hits = madder bear maybe he'll have high blood pressure and die. :mrgreen: :shock:
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
Gatehouse said:
You are just evil.
Evil Evil Evil.
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink:
They might actually be EXACTLY the same despite their names. Look at this -
3+0+0+6=9 :|
2+7+0=9 :|
Both total 9. Coincidence? I don't think so! Numerologists wouldn't lie! But neither of the cartridge names ACTUALLY tells a person what bullet it fires.
If you eliminate the zeros, but multiply the whole numbers instead of adding them up, the results are telling. :shock:
3x6=18
2x7=14
So, based on the fact that numerologically they are the same, but when multiplied, as part of a basic mathematical manipulation, are different - the 30/06 being a higher number - then the 30/06 wins.
BUT it was actually a 30 - then a slash - then the 06, so adding them together gives you 36 vs the complete number 270 being higher (it's not broken down into groups of numbers like the 30/06, or 30-06 as some people like to write it. Regardless, the result is the same.) This would make the 270 the winner.
Past this, it begins to get confusing, so I'd best stop. :shock:
3+0+0+6=9 :|
2+7+0=9 :|
Both total 9. Coincidence? I don't think so! Numerologists wouldn't lie! But neither of the cartridge names ACTUALLY tells a person what bullet it fires.
If you eliminate the zeros, but multiply the whole numbers instead of adding them up, the results are telling. :shock:
3x6=18
2x7=14
So, based on the fact that numerologically they are the same, but when multiplied, as part of a basic mathematical manipulation, are different - the 30/06 being a higher number - then the 30/06 wins.
BUT it was actually a 30 - then a slash - then the 06, so adding them together gives you 36 vs the complete number 270 being higher (it's not broken down into groups of numbers like the 30/06, or 30-06 as some people like to write it. Regardless, the result is the same.) This would make the 270 the winner.
Past this, it begins to get confusing, so I'd best stop. :shock:
- Location
- South Cariboo, BC
Steve said:
WOW - you the man Steve. I think you're onto something there!
Although you did make one glaring mathematical error, no doubt due to the Euphoria of cracking this age old mystery. Obviously 30-06 does not equal 36 because:
30
-06
----
=24
So now I'm lost again, what have we learned from the numerologists?
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
cariboo_kid said:
I learned that Kangaroos are randy little bastards.
- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
But seriously...
.30-06
Over 95 years old, it remains America's favorite hunting cartridge.
After a dozen Alaskan hunts, more than 20 Canadian ones, 30 African safaris, a dozen European hunts and God knows how many in the United States and Mexico, I have some experience with most of the cartridges we consider "all-around" choices - rounds that will handle darn near any situation short of very large and very dangerous game.
I have shot the .270 Winchester a great deal, and I like it. I have shot the .280 Remington a great deal, and I like it as much. I have taken some of my most memorable trophies and made some of my very best shots with a 7mm Remington Magnum. I like it very much. I have also hunted quite a lot with both .300 Winchester and .300 Weatherby Magnums, and I respect both cartridges immensely.
I have written positively about all of these cartridges on more than one occasion. But if I were forced to choose one, my preference would be the .30-06. And I am not alone. It remains America's most popular hunting cartridge - and those who choose it are not wrong.
Part of its popularity must be credited to its lineage. It was America's service cartridge through two world wars and countless skirmishes. But its current and lasting popularity is based on much more than its military heritage, as we shall see. First, however, let's take a fast historical look at what we call the .30-06 Springfield.
It was originally designated the "Ball Cartridge, caliber .30, Model of 1906." The great Springfield rifle was just three years old, and had been chambered to a very similar cartridge firing a 220-grain round-nose bullet at 2300 feet per second. The 1906 version has a case neck shortened by .007 inch. The few remaining rifles chambered for the original ".30-03" will therefore chamber the shorter .30-06 rounds, but the reverse is not always so.
The 1906 version featured a 150-grain spitzer bullet at a then-sizzling 2700 fps. This was the load that saw us through World War I. In 1926, the bullet was changed again, to a 172-grain boattail at, initially, the same 2700 fps. Although this significantly improved the long-range performance of the Springfield rifle, the boattail bullet was actually adopted to extend the maximum effective range of the like-chambered light and medium machine guns of the day. The velocity was later reduced to 2640 fps. In 1940, with the changeover to the gas-operated Garand beginning, the original flat-base 150-grain loading was readopted.
The .30-06 remained our standard military cartridge until 1954, when it was officially replaced by the 7.62mm NATO round (.308 Winchester). However, it was 1957 before the first 7.62mm M14 rifles were actually fielded, and the .30-06 remained in use, especially for machine guns, until the 1970s.
One of the first recorded sporting uses of the Springfield rifle and .30-06 cartridge occurred during President Theodore Roosevelt's celebrated nine-month African safari in 1909. T.R. was ecstatic with both the Springfield and the cartridge, but it was some years before the Springfield action was available to the public in significant numbers.
The first sporting rifle chambered to .30-06 was probably the Winchester 1895 lever action, rather than a bolt gun. It was chambered first to .30-03, and then to .30-06 in about 1908.
By the late teens, early custom gunsmiths like Griffin and Howe in New York were doing a brisk business making custom .30-06 rifles on both Springfield and Mauser actions. In 1921, the Remington Model 30 was introduced in .30-06, as was the Winchester Model 54 in 1925. It was, of course, an initial chambering for the Winchester Model 70 in 1937, and for the next quarter century the Model 70 .30-06 was perhaps the most famous - if not the most common - production sporting rifle.
http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/30_06_springfield/
.30-06
Over 95 years old, it remains America's favorite hunting cartridge.
After a dozen Alaskan hunts, more than 20 Canadian ones, 30 African safaris, a dozen European hunts and God knows how many in the United States and Mexico, I have some experience with most of the cartridges we consider "all-around" choices - rounds that will handle darn near any situation short of very large and very dangerous game.
I have shot the .270 Winchester a great deal, and I like it. I have shot the .280 Remington a great deal, and I like it as much. I have taken some of my most memorable trophies and made some of my very best shots with a 7mm Remington Magnum. I like it very much. I have also hunted quite a lot with both .300 Winchester and .300 Weatherby Magnums, and I respect both cartridges immensely.
I have written positively about all of these cartridges on more than one occasion. But if I were forced to choose one, my preference would be the .30-06. And I am not alone. It remains America's most popular hunting cartridge - and those who choose it are not wrong.
Part of its popularity must be credited to its lineage. It was America's service cartridge through two world wars and countless skirmishes. But its current and lasting popularity is based on much more than its military heritage, as we shall see. First, however, let's take a fast historical look at what we call the .30-06 Springfield.
It was originally designated the "Ball Cartridge, caliber .30, Model of 1906." The great Springfield rifle was just three years old, and had been chambered to a very similar cartridge firing a 220-grain round-nose bullet at 2300 feet per second. The 1906 version has a case neck shortened by .007 inch. The few remaining rifles chambered for the original ".30-03" will therefore chamber the shorter .30-06 rounds, but the reverse is not always so.
The 1906 version featured a 150-grain spitzer bullet at a then-sizzling 2700 fps. This was the load that saw us through World War I. In 1926, the bullet was changed again, to a 172-grain boattail at, initially, the same 2700 fps. Although this significantly improved the long-range performance of the Springfield rifle, the boattail bullet was actually adopted to extend the maximum effective range of the like-chambered light and medium machine guns of the day. The velocity was later reduced to 2640 fps. In 1940, with the changeover to the gas-operated Garand beginning, the original flat-base 150-grain loading was readopted.
The .30-06 remained our standard military cartridge until 1954, when it was officially replaced by the 7.62mm NATO round (.308 Winchester). However, it was 1957 before the first 7.62mm M14 rifles were actually fielded, and the .30-06 remained in use, especially for machine guns, until the 1970s.
One of the first recorded sporting uses of the Springfield rifle and .30-06 cartridge occurred during President Theodore Roosevelt's celebrated nine-month African safari in 1909. T.R. was ecstatic with both the Springfield and the cartridge, but it was some years before the Springfield action was available to the public in significant numbers.
The first sporting rifle chambered to .30-06 was probably the Winchester 1895 lever action, rather than a bolt gun. It was chambered first to .30-03, and then to .30-06 in about 1908.
By the late teens, early custom gunsmiths like Griffin and Howe in New York were doing a brisk business making custom .30-06 rifles on both Springfield and Mauser actions. In 1921, the Remington Model 30 was introduced in .30-06, as was the Winchester Model 54 in 1925. It was, of course, an initial chambering for the Winchester Model 70 in 1937, and for the next quarter century the Model 70 .30-06 was perhaps the most famous - if not the most common - production sporting rifle.
http://www.huntingmag.com/guns_loads/30_06_springfield/
