quackquackbang
CGN Regular
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- Newfoundland
Looking into getting a new rifle maybe a browning a-bolt. just wondering on what would be the better caliber to get the standerd win or the WSM? PRO and CONS? will be shooting deer to moose size game!
270 win or 270 wsm???
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270WSM has a bit more velocity but other than that not too much difference in the two cartridges, other than one is long and the other short. New cartridges are always fun to own though.....good enough reason for me to buy the WSM. Oh wait, I did..
Deer or moose won't know the difference though....both are good for deer or moose. I have both, but use the wsm more. one big factor is if you reload or not, if you don't load your own then the 270 is easier to find ammo for.
you hear the feeding issues line about the wsm here and there, but I personally have never had a problem, and hunt with many others and have never heard of feeding issues in any of their various branded rifles in 270, 7, and 300wsm
I dont believe the weatherby is worth the extra money over the wsm, unless you just really want a weatherby rifle.
you hear the feeding issues line about the wsm here and there, but I personally have never had a problem, and hunt with many others and have never heard of feeding issues in any of their various branded rifles in 270, 7, and 300wsm
I dont believe the weatherby is worth the extra money over the wsm, unless you just really want a weatherby rifle.
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wholeheartedlly agree with manitou210, as i also have a browning a-bolt in 7mm wsm.
great minds think alike, lol
but seriously, between the 270 win and the 270 wsm, i would go with the 270 win.
the wsm is slightly improved, but the 270 win doesn't need much to improve on to begin with, and great cartridge as is for the performance and purpose intended. imho
great minds think alike, lol
but seriously, between the 270 win and the 270 wsm, i would go with the 270 win.
the wsm is slightly improved, but the 270 win doesn't need much to improve on to begin with, and great cartridge as is for the performance and purpose intended. imho
I cannot comment on the A-Bolt as I've never owned one. But, I do own both a .270 Win and a .270 WSM. Both are tack drivers, the .270WSM is slightly faster but I don't put much into that as it's only a 1/2" difference at 100 yds. The .270WSM being fatter will chamber one less round in the mag as it is fatter. That being a statistic has never made a difference as my kills have been "one shot kills"...so who cares. The standard .270 feeds smoother. So although I love to shoot both guns, IMHO the venerable .270 still shines.
Three?
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
My choice would be the standard .270 Winchester. The additional velocity of the WSM might flatten trajectory slightly, but I doubt if you could make use of the difference in the field.
The .270 WSM is the superior round no doubt, and has better availability of PREMIUM ammo. However the .270 Win is a great cartridge on it's own and has better availabilty of ammo in general. There is a higher cost with the WSM for ammo as well.
Get a cataloge and look over the ballistics sections for both rounds and draw your own conclusions.
Get a cataloge and look over the ballistics sections for both rounds and draw your own conclusions.
killswithkimber
Regular
- Location
- Jaffray BC
I currently own one of each and I prefer the WSM, just that little bit of power makes a big difference
Saying the 270wsm is slightly or as little faster is somewhat a under statment.
To get 250 fps with 140gr bullet , onb top end is quite a differance federal premium ammo lists the 270 at 2950 fps and the wsm at 3200 fps with accubond Noslers
To get 250 fps with 140gr bullet , onb top end is quite a differance federal premium ammo lists the 270 at 2950 fps and the wsm at 3200 fps with accubond Noslers
Additional Commentary
Yes, these stumpy whiz bang new cartridges really do spit their bullets out considerably faster than the more garden variety traditional calibers, whether one compares factory or handloaded ammo. On this point, there is no question - show me a handloader hot rodding an .270 winchester, and I'll show you a hot rodder handloading a "stumpy" just that much faster!!
Keep in mind that when you drive a given bullet faster, you stress the design envelope of the bullet.
A .270 win works wonderfully on our more common north american ungulate critters using even the low cost and widely available winchester power point ammo.
Up the velocity by 200 - 300 fps, and those common low cost softer bullets may well break up on heavy bone.......
So, if you wanna drive bullets hard, then better be using premium ammo with controlled expansion bullets such as Barnes X, Nosler partitions, or one of the newer bonded core bullets such as accubonds, or scirroccos. Shot placement will ALWAYS be key. A .270 winchester will kill moose with nice broadside shots, but may struggle to get to the boiler room on less than ideal shot angles. I saw this play out in Geraldton 15 years ago where a hunting companion killed a moose with a .270 winchester at about 150 yards using a typical bullet of the time (winchester silvertips), but did swat that moose (too)many times on a head-on angle before it finally fell over. On the other hand, I shot a good size whitetail facing dead away from me on Manitoulin island 4 years ago with a .270 win at 165 lasered yards with a 130 grain Swift scirocco where the bullet hit the rear ham, ran up the inside of the rib cage and exited through a small fist sized hole in the centre of the brisket.
In the end, buy what yanks your crank...... think about how long your shots will truly be, look at whether you care about ammo cost, availability, or if it's more important to have a rifle with a short action vs longer standard action, and whether you wish to up the recoil ante and whether you have the patience and skill to pick your shots carefully. Tomato or tomatoe?
Yes, these stumpy whiz bang new cartridges really do spit their bullets out considerably faster than the more garden variety traditional calibers, whether one compares factory or handloaded ammo. On this point, there is no question - show me a handloader hot rodding an .270 winchester, and I'll show you a hot rodder handloading a "stumpy" just that much faster!!
Keep in mind that when you drive a given bullet faster, you stress the design envelope of the bullet.
A .270 win works wonderfully on our more common north american ungulate critters using even the low cost and widely available winchester power point ammo.
Up the velocity by 200 - 300 fps, and those common low cost softer bullets may well break up on heavy bone.......
So, if you wanna drive bullets hard, then better be using premium ammo with controlled expansion bullets such as Barnes X, Nosler partitions, or one of the newer bonded core bullets such as accubonds, or scirroccos. Shot placement will ALWAYS be key. A .270 winchester will kill moose with nice broadside shots, but may struggle to get to the boiler room on less than ideal shot angles. I saw this play out in Geraldton 15 years ago where a hunting companion killed a moose with a .270 winchester at about 150 yards using a typical bullet of the time (winchester silvertips), but did swat that moose (too)many times on a head-on angle before it finally fell over. On the other hand, I shot a good size whitetail facing dead away from me on Manitoulin island 4 years ago with a .270 win at 165 lasered yards with a 130 grain Swift scirocco where the bullet hit the rear ham, ran up the inside of the rib cage and exited through a small fist sized hole in the centre of the brisket.
In the end, buy what yanks your crank...... think about how long your shots will truly be, look at whether you care about ammo cost, availability, or if it's more important to have a rifle with a short action vs longer standard action, and whether you wish to up the recoil ante and whether you have the patience and skill to pick your shots carefully. Tomato or tomatoe?
BC Bigbore
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- BC's Peace Country
I've used a M70 Fwt .270WCF for years as my primary deer rifle then decided to add a M70 Fwt .270WSM...just because. With 140gr Accubonds, my pet loads chrony 2936fps with the WCF and 3150fps with the WSM. Definately a slight edge with the WSM on windy days. Game animals won't know the difference so pick whichever floats yer boat.
