.270 win or .270wsm....bought one....pics!

[beretta boy]

That Ontario Reg., as it was explained to me, was originally written, to curtail the use, in the more built-up areas of the province, of the abundant and very cheap war surplus rifles & FMJ ammo that was available.

Those with everything from 22 RF's up to and including 270's were free to bang away at Varmints & Deer (where permitted), while those with $50 (or less ) Enfields, Mausers or Springfields and a metal ammo box full of surplus hard ball rounds were not.

 

[freddyfour]

Whats even better is that I can not hunt deer with anything other then a bow or shotgun here but i can blast away at ground hogs or coons with a .270 wsm! Makes sense to me doesn't it?

 

[kombi1976]

Come on, there is such a simple explanation for that...

.270 is smaller than .308, thus is less dangerous

Gee, you have that sort of brilliant reasoning too, eh?
Our PM, the font of all wisdom, initiated a heavy restriction on all handguns over 9mm/.357 cal because "they're designed to kill people".......
Yep, I can't work it out either.
Oh, and at our range we're allowed to shoot anything hi-powered with a bore diameter of 308 or less but not more than that.
On that basis a 300 RUM, 30/378 Wby Mag or a Lazzeroni Warbird is safer than a 35 Remington.
Of course, I'm not a public official so I have no idea.

 

[troyski2]

I saw a chipmunk reading field and stream once.

Classic. Mind if i make this my new sig line?

 

[Wrong Way]

Yes its because of the hunting regs, can't hunt with anything lager then .275 and i believe 7mm is .285.

I bought this little beaty at Eli's Gun Store in Simcoe 1/2 south west of Hamilton. I picked it up for around 1400 with some ammo.

Gitrdun, the mag holds 3 rounds, 4 if you load one in the chamber first.

Ummm....... .270 (both winchester and WSM) actually measure .277.
I won't tell if you don't

 

[cement head]

the other way you can look at it freddyfour is . if you were up north in the middle of nowhere and you lost your ammo. is the local store going to have 270wsm ammo in stock? if you walk into just about any walmart or canadian tire you will find 270 win ammo in stock and not 270 wsm. that;s why I purchased a ruger in 270 win . your choice. happy hunting

 

[bingefister]

Hey I am only repeating what I have read... repeatedly by several professionals with a ton more experience than you or I.
I would like to hear an opinion from someone who has shot some Elk.

I regularly hunt, and shot an Elk with a .270 Win. I consider it "borderline". But the 150gr Nosler Partition demolished his right shoulder on the way out... he didn't make it far. ~125yd shot. I've had to let a few go, because I didn't get in close enough to be happy with a shot (also they were too small...), I wouldn't want to stretch out past 200 yd, with a .270.

Long story short, good bullets make it "adaquate". I hunted with 130gr TSX's last fall (my rifle likes em a lot better), but didn't shoot any Elk, so don't really know how they'd perform.

Seriously debating a .35 Whelen for the Elk expeditions, from now on.

 

[Wrong Way]

the other way you can look at it freddyfour is . if you were up north in the middle of nowhere and you lost your ammo. is the local store going to have 270wsm ammo in stock? if you walk into just about any walmart or canadian tire you will find 270 win ammo in stock and not 270 wsm. that;s why I purchased a ruger in 270 win . your choice. happy hunting

Holy hell.....just when I thought hearing that argument for the 1000th time would be the last......

Now go to black rifles and post something about bullpups being prohib.

And for the record: My CT and Walmart both stock WSM's, and "if" you are heading up to the middle of nowhere for a hunt....dontcha think you'd be smart enough to bring a backup rifle/ammo as well?

 

[Gatehouse]

Holy hell.....just when I thought hearing that argument for the 1000th time would be the last......

Now go to black rifles and post something about bullpups being prohib.

And for the record: My CT and Walmart both stock WSM's, and "if" you are heading up to the middle of nowhere for a hunt....dontcha think you'd be smart enough to bring a backup rifle/ammo as well?

Hahahahha.. I was htinkgin the same thing. If you are the type that forgets to bring his ammo, then go out to your truck rigth now and store 2 boxeds under the seat.

 

[blargon]

And for the record: My CT and Walmart both stock WSM's, and "if" you are heading up to the middle of nowhere for a hunt....dontcha think you'd be smart enough to bring a backup rifle/ammo as well?

Not only CT and WM, but there's more gunshops/sporting goods stores in Northwestern Ontario than there is here.

If you bring your ammo, but forget your gun you can buy a wsm there too.

 

[Wimblypimbly]

I don't mean to appear to be the simple one here, but I shot a 270 win for the first half of my hunting career, (once I was large enough to take the kick I put down the 243), After that I went to a 270 weatherby.

I notice very little talk of it hear, I suspect that's because it's not in the "finacialy effiecient" catagory, but I don't shoot from a bench much at all, I feel very little recoil (I shoot mostly off hand), I don't shoot thousands of rounds a year because I work full time and hunt the rest(not many benches around. ) But I have many a time considered the short mag vs. win vs. weatherby, and my conclusion is that if you feel you need more that what a 270 win will provide (regardless of form or function) and you like that caliber of bullet (I love it) you might as well just cut your losses and go with the weatherby. The velocity is more than both, accuracy is great, and you're done.

As for what a 270 is good for, North america was settled with 30-30s and
22lrs, If you shoot a moose in the eye or an elk in the back of the head they won't go far. This idea that we should shoot an animal in the front should is still a mystory to me?

It's not a ethical rule to hunt by...but....if I can make out what species it is with the naked eye I can kill it with a 270wby in north america.

Now everyone can proceed to bash me intil the I die of old age. Thanks for you time though.

 

[gitrdun]

As for what a 270 is good for, North america was settled with 30-30s and
22lrs, If you shoot a moose in the eye or an elk in the back of the head they won't go far. This idea that we should shoot an animal in the front should is still a mystory to me?

It's not a ethical rule to hunt by...but....if I can make out what species it is with the naked eye I can kill it with a 270wby in north america.

Now everyone can proceed to bash me intil the I die of old age. Thanks for you time though.

Hey, if you are good enough to sneak up to an elk and shoot 'em in the back of the head, awesome....I'd like to hear about it.

As far as bashing....wouldn't waste the time. Have a good one.

 

[mylesrom]

I don't mean to appear to be the simple one here, but I shot a 270 win for the first half of my hunting career, (once I was large enough to take the kick I put down the 243), After that I went to a 270 weatherby.

I notice very little talk of it hear, I suspect that's because it's not in the "finacialy effiecient" catagory, but I don't shoot from a bench much at all, I feel very little recoil (I shoot mostly off hand), I don't shoot thousands of rounds a year because I work full time and hunt the rest(not many benches around. ) But I have many a time considered the short mag vs. win vs. weatherby, and my conclusion is that if you feel you need more that what a 270 win will provide (regardless of form or function) and you like that caliber of bullet (I love it) you might as well just cut your losses and go with the weatherby. The velocity is more than both, accuracy is great, and you're done.

As for what a 270 is good for, North america was settled with 30-30s and
22lrs, If you shoot a moose in the eye or an elk in the back of the head they won't go far. This idea that we should shoot an animal in the front should is still a mystory to me?

It's not a ethical rule to hunt by...but....if I can make out what species it is with the naked eye I can kill it with a 270wby in north america.

Now everyone can proceed to bash me intil the I die of old age. Thanks for you time though.

Your right, the 270 Weatherby is an awesome cartridge, I have one in a SAKO M995, but the problem is they are only produced nowdays in a Weatherby MarkV and Ruger No.1.

That is why you don't hear much talk of them. If weatherby produced it in their Vanguard, I am sure you would have a lot of takers.... But not that many people wish to pump out 1300+ dollars to pick up a 270 Weatherby caliber.....

 

[kombi1976]

As others have already said, the financial issue is the one that plagues the 270 Wby Mag.
If more manufacturers chambered it and, more to the point, more ammo manufacturers produced it for a reasonable price(!!) then it would certainly become more popular.
But a 7mm Rem Mag is much cheaper and not far behind the 270 Wby in velocity and even a 7mm RUM is cheaper than a MkV rifle so people are quite obviously giving it a miss.
Now the 270 WSM has come out.
It fits in a short action which we've all been told is superiorrolleyes and allows for the current fascination with mountain rifles.
It has proven accuracy, ammo and brass are relatively easy to come by, projectile choice is considerable because the 270 Win had already paved the way in that cal and it is marketed by one of the big arms companies.
Oh, and it's available in everything from bargain basement rifles to gold-plated, diamond-encrusted custom jobs.
I'm looking at stats here and the Weatherby edges out the WSM by about 100fps or so particularly on heavy bullets but the published figures are probably a little optimisitic for the WSM.
Even so it's hard to justify the expense.

 

[BIGREDD]

I don't mean to appear to be the simple one here, but I shot a 270 win for the first half of my hunting career, (once I was large enough to take the kick I put down the 243), After that I went to a 270 weatherby.

I notice very little talk of it hear, I suspect that's because it's not in the "finacialy effiecient" catagory, but I don't shoot from a bench much at all, I feel very little recoil (I shoot mostly off hand), I don't shoot thousands of rounds a year because I work full time and hunt the rest(not many benches around. ) But I have many a time considered the short mag vs. win vs. weatherby, and my conclusion is that if you feel you need more that what a 270 win will provide (regardless of form or function) and you like that caliber of bullet (I love it) you might as well just cut your losses and go with the weatherby. The velocity is more than both, accuracy is great, and you're done.

As for what a 270 is good for, North america was settled with 30-30s and
22lrs, If you shoot a moose in the eye or an elk in the back of the head they won't go far. This idea that we should shoot an animal in the front should is still a mystory to me?

It's not a ethical rule to hunt by...but....if I can make out what species it is with the naked eye I can kill it with a 270wby in north america.

Now everyone can proceed to bash me intil the I die of old age. Thanks for you time though.

OK sign me up... How long is the barrel on that rifle of yours Wimbly? Right... 26 inches. That is one of the reasons for the slight difference in the velocity over the WSM which achieve thier published Data easily I might add with 24 inch barrels or less. The other reason is case capacity which is achieved using a long action and a big belted magnum case. Hows that belt working out for ya? Accuracy is good? Until you start getting throat errosion at about 1000 rds! That short fat WSM case will take a lot longer to cook the barrel than your seriously overbore Weatherby.
Your right the .270 WBY is a great cartridge but your argument against the Short Mag is without merit.

 

[pharaoh2]

I won't bash, but I belive North America was settled with muzzleloading rifles and shotguns. They are the guns that won the west. The 30-30 didn't come around until a little over a hundred years ago. Am i going to have to come over to your house and stick a copy of Jerimaha Johnson in your VCR?

 

[kombi1976]

Your right the .270 WBY is a great cartridge but your argument against the Short Mag is without merit.

Is it just me or did Wimblypimbly advocate the 270 Wby Mag because it was faster & was accurate?
Hell, my eyes may be playing tricks on me but I didn't see any criticism of the 270 WSM......just a statement of the fact that Weatherby is faster.
BR, that WSM persecution complex is really getting to ya.
Have a beer and chill, bud.
It is still cold in your part of the world, isn't it?

 

[MTM]

270s

Kombi1976, please try and keep up. Its already been established that the WSMs are about the fastest things going.They attain this blazing speed from shorter barrels with less powder and produce less recoil while doing so. That said the 270 WBY goes very fast out of 24" barrels and brass is just a matter of one pass through your die with some 7 MM Rem brass. I recently bought a .270, its a Win.

 

[pharaoh2]

 

[444shooter]

I used to own a Vanguard in .270Wby, and was getting 3350fps with 130gr Nosler BT and fantastic accuracy too. And yes, this was in a 24" barrel