I hunted for years with a 270 Weatherby..and now years with a 270 WSM switching only because Im left handed and the weatherby wasnt..I now will try the 270 Win. This to confirm what many including myself have suspected, that no animal can tell the difference! The Win is the most economical if you dont handload. Try any one of them you cant go wrong. As for the feeding..my wsm functions all the time every time.
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Or move up a notch and get rid of the .270 Win.Or if you don't have a .270 Win skip it altogether and start at the .270 WSM.
I'll frequently shoot all my .270s together at my farm range. The 2 Wins and WSM both have B&C reticles and with WSM that simple little system gets me 100 yards farther out. Not bad for adding 8 grains of powder and changing two letters. That's the sort of thing that is very usable in the field. The little WSM gives my .270 Weatherby a run for its money.
Adding 100 yards won't make a practical difference unless you are into the long range stuff, and if you are then there are much better choices than any of the .277" calibers - 6.5mm and 7mm for example. What is the average distance you have shot game? I did the math some time ago and it was something like 150 yards for me. I find that, generally, my "longer" range shots have been in the 300 to 350 yard range. I was getting just under 3200fps with 130gr XBT out my .270 out of a 22" barrel. If I can't do it with a .270 at that range then I want something bigger.
I have 100% faith that out to 500 yards - or more - a guy like you will drop deer without a problem with a .270 Win. So why bother with the WSM version?
If I was to get a WSM, It would probably be a 270. The rest of them are not ideal with long heavy-for-caliber bullets, and that is where the magnums excel, so I dont really see any point. I dont want a lighter rifle in 300 or 325mag anyways.
The 270 WSM has a nice velocity boost over the 270, but I guess thats because unlike the 300 win mag or 7mm rem mag, Im not comparing the 270wsm to a magnum cartridge.
That said, I just bought a 270 winchester, and love it to bits. I dont see myself needing the extra velocity any time soon, and If I do, I'll probably opt for something more common like a 7mm Rem mag anyways. There is something about actually being able to find ammo in a pinch that is highly attractive to me...
I liked the Kimber Montana it was in?
It wasn't because I needed it, any more than I needed a couple sweet little M70s in .270 Win or a Accumark in .270 'bee. Between those in what everyone says are average distances, at game that I know are easy to kill it doesn't matter. They all have lots. I'll even throw in just about all the common "light rifle" cartridges and agree that usually it doesn't matter much with those either. Darn near everything within reason can make a 500 yard jumper gun, though some are going to make you start working for it sooner and harder than the others. We went around and around on this same thing on your .270 Win thread.So why bother? Well, "average" is a range of long and short, and "usually" isn't always. I do tend to gear up for the extremes, since the normal doesn't matter much. A better question might be why not bother? Whatever increase I get with the WSM costs me about 2 cents worth of powder per shot. Why wouldn't I want it? The 3200 you are/were getting is quite impressive, I could never get anywhere near that. I have a .270 shoots quite well with about all the H4831 I can get in the case and its coming out at 2900 fps. The other is closer to 3100. The WSM is crowding 3300 so the downside is paying between 1/2 and 1 cent extra per 100 fps of extra velocity? 2 cents per hundred compared to your hodrod load? This is problem I can live with quite happily. Not a lot of downside there, powder is cheap and my real preference is cartridges that burn 80-90 grains or more at a time. The under 7mm STW stuff is mostly just playing for me, I really don't need any of it.
As to average range, so far this fall, just in Canada I haven't taken a shot that I couldn't have made with a iron sighted muzzleloader. Go back a couple seasons and my average worked out 390 give or take and that was because a 150 yard moose dragged the average down. That year saw more 300 and .338 Edge than muzzleloader.
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I liked the Kimber Montana it was in?
And it was a pretty sweet deal!
For the guy that already owns a 270 you could be right but for the guy that doesn't own one but wants one, why bother with the 270Win? I bought mine for the short action, shorter barrel and because it was something new. The little extra performance was a bonus. I've never been interested in a 270Win.....never will be.
And it was a pretty sweet deal!
Admittedly; that was one of the first things I liked about it.
Others are the way it carries itself, and the way it woke up when I poured the coal........er 7828 to it. Woke that little puppy right up. it did.
That's the way I see it. I haven't owned a 270 for years but if I was looking for one it would be WSM. I don't see any drawbacks to the WSM unless the extra bit of recoil bugs you. Ammo is at Canadian Tire and all gun shops. Might be a bit more expensive but it's hardly a deal breaker and there are ways around that.
I liked the Kimber Montana it was in?
I do tend to gear up for the extremes, since the normal doesn't matter much.
I have a .270 shoots quite well with about all the H4831 I can get in the case and its coming out at 2900 fps. The other is closer to 3100.
As to average range, so far this fall, just in Canada I haven't taken a shot that I couldn't have made with a iron sighted muzzleloader. Go back a couple seasons and my average worked out 390 give or take and that was because a 150 yard moose dragged the average down. That year saw more 300 and .338 Edge than muzzleloader.
Can't argue with the first point! "Just because I like it" is a pretty convincing reason to have something.
Gearing up for extremes (ranges)? Well you are a specialized fellow. And in that case for "light" stuff I'd just as soon skip the .270's of any type altogether and, as I mentioned, moved to a more stout 7mm. Kind of like what you have done with the STW.
Interestingly I have had good results with H4831 accuracy wise, but not so much in the velocity department. Going off the top of my head, in last two years I have used it in the following with these results:
.30-06 w/180gr Partitions - just under 2700fps out of 22" barrel - case was full already
7mm RM w/175gr Partitions - just under 2700fps out of 25.5" barrel (!!!!) - over book max but no pressure signs
.300 WM w/200gr Partitions - ~2800fps - over book max with flattening primer
.338 WM w/250gr Partitions - the "classic" 72.0gr load - just over 2500fps (!!!!)
Mind you the loads were with powder from the same lot so who knows. The .270 load I refer to is with RL22 and comes straight from Barnes #1 manual. I was also closing in on 3100fps with 140gr Hornady interlock bullets, again using RL22 and the Barnes #1 manual.
Sometimes its extreme range and all that entails, sometimes its extreme shorter range trajectory, sometimes its extreme bullet performance (hard to keep velocity out of that) and sometimes its extreme numbers. It just depends.
I could try some RL22, but I don't have tons of it and getting more is a problem.
I don't know what to make of the Barnes manuals. Sometimes I can't get past the starting loads, sometimes the top loads seem mild.
I could try some RL22, but I don't have tons of it and getting more is a problem.
I don't know what to make of the Barnes manuals. Sometimes I can't get past the starting loads, sometimes the top loads seem mild.
