I am thinking about getting into LR hunting/targets and I was wondering what you all thought of the 270 wsm for long range like 900-1000yrds for deer. Is this caliber up to it.the gun I was looking at was a savage 12fvss. well tell me what you guys think of this. ps the gun also comes in 300wsm if I had to I could get that but I would rather shoot the 270.
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If it's just targets, I'd say go the 308. for most and given their recoil, 300's are not much fun to shoot all day, their ammo is more expensive (yet the bullets themselves are the same) and the holes will look exactly the same in the end.
Lots of good factory guns out there in both calibres that will produce awesome results.
I'm no expert, but hunting deer at 1k?? That's alot of work if you just wound it (strong probability given the accuracy and bullet energy loss at that distance). You would need to be a real master of your firearm to make that work.
Lots of good factory guns out there in both calibres that will produce awesome results.
I'm no expert, but hunting deer at 1k?? That's alot of work if you just wound it (strong probability given the accuracy and bullet energy loss at that distance). You would need to be a real master of your firearm to make that work.
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Take a serious look at the 7mm WSM. There is a good line up of quality BR bullets up to 180gr Berger VLD. BC is tough to beat.
At this stage, as far as I know there are no quality BR bullets in .277 with BCs necessary for accurate long range shooting..
At this stage, as far as I know there are no quality BR bullets in .277 with BCs necessary for accurate long range shooting..
"...900-1000yrds for deer..." That's too far for any calibre. The kill zone on a deer is about 18" in diameter. You'd need a custom rifle with a premium barrel and lots of long range shooting experience just to be able to hit an 18" target at 1,000 yards. In any case, the .270 WSM with a 150 grain bullet only has 1748 ft/lbs of energy left at 500 yards and drops 28 inches.
The 7mm WSM has about the same energy at 500. The 300 WSM with a 150 grain bullet has far less energy at 500.
For target shooting, use the .308 using carefully loaded ammo with match grade bullets. There's no point even trying to shoot at 1,000 with non-match ammo.
The 7mm WSM has about the same energy at 500. The 300 WSM with a 150 grain bullet has far less energy at 500.
For target shooting, use the .308 using carefully loaded ammo with match grade bullets. There's no point even trying to shoot at 1,000 with non-match ammo.
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My personal rifle is a Savage 110 in 7RM pushing 162gr Amax about 3100fps. Yep, except for bedding, a muzzle brake and trigger work, it's factory. It has the accuracy and power for me to hunt as far as my Leica 800 can range.
The big issue with LR hunting is your ability to shoot well enough to be effective. Getting/making/tuning a rifle to be accurate and powerful enough to do the job is a no brainer these days. Having the skills and discipline to make the shot is a whole different story.
Be realistic on your budget. If you can't afford the excellent quality rangefinders, scopes, spotting/glassing optics, reloading, and a ton of practise, I would suggest against this journey.
However, if you are willing to do what needs to be done, LR shooting and hunting can be very rewarding.
www.longrangehunting.com and Dan Lilja's site will have lots of info you need to make an informed decision.
As a basic rule, I limit my range to whatever I can hit a milk jug 100% of the time from a cold barrel on any given day. One shot, no sighters. On a dead calm day, that can be a very long ways out. On your average windy hunting day and/or from field positions, its a whole lot closer.
Even those that make LR hunting their thing, not too many actually get a chance to connect that far out.
Jerry
PS if you are serious about getting a rifle, I might just have what you are looking for. PM me.
The big issue with LR hunting is your ability to shoot well enough to be effective. Getting/making/tuning a rifle to be accurate and powerful enough to do the job is a no brainer these days. Having the skills and discipline to make the shot is a whole different story.
Be realistic on your budget. If you can't afford the excellent quality rangefinders, scopes, spotting/glassing optics, reloading, and a ton of practise, I would suggest against this journey.
However, if you are willing to do what needs to be done, LR shooting and hunting can be very rewarding.
www.longrangehunting.com and Dan Lilja's site will have lots of info you need to make an informed decision.
As a basic rule, I limit my range to whatever I can hit a milk jug 100% of the time from a cold barrel on any given day. One shot, no sighters. On a dead calm day, that can be a very long ways out. On your average windy hunting day and/or from field positions, its a whole lot closer.
Even those that make LR hunting their thing, not too many actually get a chance to connect that far out.
Jerry
PS if you are serious about getting a rifle, I might just have what you are looking for. PM me.
My ballistics calculator shows 1355fpe @ 1000yds at 1900fps with a high-BC 7mm hunting bullet. If you believe in the 1000fpe minimum, then this is certainly more than sufficient. Plus, it's really not THAT hard to hit an 18" gong @ 1k with a decent factory gun, such as a Sendero (with a good rest, some skill, and favourable conditions).
So no, it's NOT too far, for the technology. The hunter, on the other hand - there are only a handful of folks in Canada who could make this shot. Are you one of them?
So no, it's NOT too far, for the technology. The hunter, on the other hand - there are only a handful of folks in Canada who could make this shot. Are you one of them?
Gophergunner go to www.6mmpc.com and look in gun of the week #64
Ric Horst's 7mmwsm it just says it all. I have owned .308 win benchrest Hart barreled, tuned action,triggers 2oz etc, and I had a Rem 700 7mmwsm done up by Hart and for me the .308 is not in the same class as the 7mmwsm in any way except for less recoil
Ric Horst's 7mmwsm it just says it all. I have owned .308 win benchrest Hart barreled, tuned action,triggers 2oz etc, and I had a Rem 700 7mmwsm done up by Hart and for me the .308 is not in the same class as the 7mmwsm in any way except for less recoil
