270wsm, 7mmWsm, 300Wsm, 30-06, 7mmMag which one?

50 cal BMG that will take cair of those pesky critters :p on a more searous note 30/06 or 300 winchester mag will be a great moose/elk/deer rifle
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so, if you are in my situation, don't own any rifle, and want to buy a new one. which cartridge would get?

I was in your situation, and I bought a .270 Wsm.

I likes it.

But really, they'll all do the job. If money's tight, don't buy a short-mag.
 
If you read all the above posts together, the message is clear: any one of the cartridges you mentioned will work. If you want to walk down the middle and go with sheer versatility and practicality, then .30-06 is the best choice. It's what I choose as my main hunting rifle, and with a 168-grain Barnes TripleShock at a chronographed 3,000 fps, I would not hesitate to use it on the biggest elk or moose as far as I would care to shoot.

You mentioned recoil sensitivity. All of us have it, but the threshold varies. In fact, recoil is like lifting weights. The effect is cumulative as exhaustion sets in. Virtually anyone can fire one shot from a .338 Winchester Magnum without problem. But after a few rounds, it gets tougher and tougher, and that's where technique and discipline kick in.

The same is true of lifting weights. Anyone can lift a 25-lb. dumbell. But try doing 100 curls with it. Some will be able to do more than others.

If you accept this analogy, then it becomes clear that a novice should begin with a lighter cartridge (like a lighter weight) and work on his technique and follow-through. Personally, I started with a 7mm Remginton Magnum. In retrospect, that was probably not the best choice, but I did shoot it a great deal and mentally work my way through the recoil issues. It was like beginning to lift weights with something that was brutal.

Like I said, the .30-06 is the most practical choice. But an even better choice for a beginning shooter would probably be something like the 7-08, 7x57 or 6.5x55. These are mild cartridges that are fun to shoot. They are also insanely accurate, so they seem to make hitting easier. In addition, they have all taken game the size of elk and moose quite effectively. In fact, the 6.5 x 55 has been the Number One moose cartridge in Scandinavia for more than 100 years. Anyone who began his big game hunting career with one of these rifles would need to make no apologies to anyone about the effectiveness and power of his rifle, especially when loaded with premium bullets.

If you don't believe me about the effectiveness of the 7-08, check out this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=106470

In spite of everything I've said above, I have developed a sentimental fondness for the .300 Winchester Magnum over the last few years. This is purely emotional, however. The truth is that it really doesn't offer that much more practical hunting power over the .30-06, especially with modern handloads.
 
prosper said:
My current favourite big game calibre is 338-06. But I'm fickle, so my choice changes from time to time. Gives me an excuse to buy a new gun :) IMHO, you can't go wrong with a 7mm mag (or 280), a 338-06 (or 338 mag) and a 375 H&H should take care of all your big game needs

Anyway, I recommend you decide on a GUN before you start looking at calibers anyway. A gun you can shoot well and enjoy shooting is far FAR more important than the caliber it takes

Seems the 30-06 does get a lot of votes, I'll go along with that. But Prosper, are you implying that the 338-06 and the .338 WinMag are comparable? Not likely, stuffing a .338 bullet into an '06 doesn't make it a comparable round. The .338 WinMag is based on a belted .458 Winchester Magnum necked down to .339 - take a look at powder capacity, hardly a comparison. They're not even close to being in the same class. ;)
 
get the 7mm rem mag or the 06. WSM Stands for Will Spend More. Ammo is more expensive and not as widely available all for no more useable performance than what the older cartridges mentioned offer.
 
gitrdun said:
Seems the 30-06 does get a lot of votes, I'll go along with that. But Prosper, are you implying that the 338-06 and the .338 WinMag are comparable? Not likely, stuffing a .338 bullet into an '06 doesn't make it a comparable round. The .338 WinMag is based on a belted .458 Winchester Magnum necked down to .339 - take a look at powder capacity, hardly a comparison. They're not even close to being in the same class. ;)

you obviously don;t have a clue what you are talking about.

lets look at some loads shall we?

.338-06 225gr @ 2677fps MV avg. (my rifle)

most factory fodder for a .338mag in 225gr is 2750 - 2800fps.

so with a .338-06 you're giving upless then 200fps and using 10% -13% less powder. the spread is slightly bigger when you get into 250gr+ bullets. simple process of efficency. as a 225gr .338cal bullet is serious medicine for any and all north american game..... comparable? you betcha.

on another note this is the second post I've read this morning where you've spouted off and proven your ignorance. maybe spend a little more reading and learning on this forum before making such observations?
 
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on another note this is the second post I've read this morning where you've spouted off and proven your ignorance. maybe spend a little more reading and learning on this forum before making such observations?


..............easy there hero. Making a statement, right or wrong is hardly "spouting off" as you put it. Do you need a hug because he made a statement about your beloved caliber that you don't agree with??

............they way you talk down to people in the confines of your "keyboard world" would get your nose broke in every day life. Give the guy a friggen break.
 
SanQ,

There is a lot of truth in what p-17 said about building up to the recoil of a high power rifle.

How soon are you planning on going out hunting? If you have the time you should get the .17 and the .22 and spend a lot of range time with them. Work on good shooting skills before shooting a larger rifle. Then I would look at picking up or borrowing a less powerfull rifle say a 303, or 308 and shoot it like you did the .22 When you are shooting well with it, sell it or return it and then look at getting one of the calibers you have mentioned.

Nothing develops bad shooting habits like a really big gun. At least IMHO

If you don't have the time to do this, shoot at least a hundred well aimed rounds through your .22 between every shot with your deer gun. It sounds crazy but this is how I learned as a kid and it works, you forget about the recoil and concentrate on the shot. By the time you remember about the recoil there is a nice little hole in the 10x ring of the target.Then back to the .22..and so on.

What ever you choose to do, good luck on your hunt and welcome to the addiction.
 
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Amphibious said:
you obviously don;t have a clue what you are talking about.

lets look at some loads shall we?

.338-06 225gr @ 2677fps MV avg. (my rifle)

most factory fodder for a .338mag in 225gr is 2750 - 2800fps.

so with a .338-06 you're giving upless then 200fps and using 10% -13% less powder. the spread is slightly bigger when you get into 250gr+ bullets. simple process of efficency. as a 225gr .338cal bullet is serious medicine for any and all north american game..... comparable? you betcha.

on another note this is the second post I've read this morning where you've spouted off and proven your ignorance. maybe spend a little more reading and learning on this forum before making such observations?

Ok, so you own a 338-06, I'm proud of you. But the point was to begin with that the poster asked about certain specific calibers, none of which include a 338-06 nor a 338WM for that matter. You brought it up and I simply stated that they were not comparable. Your giving up 200 fps, nothing less and I couldn't care less about the efficiency, that was not the point. In my "limited" knowledge, I don't know of any off the shelf gun makers that chamber the 338-06, that would either be a custom or semi-custom like an A-Square order right? Don't take things so personally for crying out loud, a disagreement on chamberings doesn't imply an attack on character. ;)
 
dirtbikeboy71 said:
SanQ,

There is a lot of truth in what p-17 said about building up to the recoil of a high power rifle.

How soon are you planning on going out hunting? If you have the time you should get the .17 and the .22 and spend a lot of range time with them. Work on good shooting skills before shooting a larger rifle. Then I would look at picking up or borrowing a less powerfull rifle say a 303, or 308 and shoot it like you did the .22 When you are shooting well with it, sell it or return it and then look at getting one of the calibers you have mentioned.

Nothing develops bad shooting habits like a really big gun. At least IMHO

If you don't have the time to do this, shoot at least a hundred well aimed rounds through your .22 between every shot with your deer gun. It sounds crazy but this is how I learned as a kid and it works, you forget about the recoil and concentrate on the shot. By the time you remember about the recoil there is a nice little hole in the 10x ring of the target.Then back to the .22..and so on.

What ever you choose to do, good luck on your hunt and welcome to the addiction.

This is truly excellent advice...well written dbb71 - Jeff/1911.
 
Hmmmm...nothing I've ever shot with a .30-06 has ever picked itself up from the ground...

...but the other calibres will do the same within the range of their capabilities.
 
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