270WSM vs 300WSM ?

Go with the 300wsm:runaway:

I know, ignore the factory ammo

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I have had both 270 WSM and 300 WSM... the 270 WSM kicked a little less than my 30-06 and the 300 WSM a little more... Exactly what one would expect... All three calibers are not fun to shoot at the range... but tolerable

My 6.5 x 55 is a lot more pleasant to shoot and will work just as well on deer.
 
BIGREDD said:
You compare any WSM to a comparable belted magnum and there will be less felt recoil in the same weight rifle.
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See, that's where I have a hard time with this. I just can't see how there would be a significant reduction in recoil with everything else being equal.

Two rifles, exactly same weight, exact stock style and pad, same bullet weight, same velocity, same everything, one being a 300WinMag and the other a 300WSM. How is the WSM going to have significantly less recoil?


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LOL...sorry, but I always get a kick out of some of the guys that ppost that their 270 "Kicks like a mule". C'mon guys...rifles recoil. If you bought a WSM because you are recoil shy...well....you wasted your $.

I personally don't get it. I'm not a big guy (170 lbs) and I shoot my 300 Ultramag for fun. It kicks, but then again, it's supposed to! IMO recoil is a highly underrated antidepressant.
 
It kicks, but then again, it's supposed to! IMO recoil is a highly underrated antidepressant.
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Very well put Wrong Way. Some people should go back to 6mm's and .257 Bob's if .277's are too much to handle. I tried out two T3's in .270WSM at our range and neither one recoiled nearly as much as my M77 MkII .338 Winchester Magnum which I don't consider to be a heavy kicker. My .270 Win. Featherweight is a joy to shoot with very little felt recoil (too bad it isn't a .270WSM) I think a lot of people fell for the marketing hype of the short mags and are actually scared of their rifles which is a shame as the WSM's are housed in some nice little packages. Oh well, maybe they'll put 'em in the EE and I'll get a good deal on a hardly ever fired short mag.
 
SuperCub said:
See, that's where I have a hard time with this. I just can't see how there would be a significant reduction in recoil with everything else being equal.

Two rifles, exactly same weight, exact stock style and pad, same bullet weight, same velocity, same everything, one being a 300WinMag and the other a 300WSM. How is the WSM going to have significantly less recoil?


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You are either very slow or just trying to get me going...;)
What is Significant to you?
Any difference in recoil is significant when shooting a lot or for accuracy!

Efficiency in the cartridge design and resulting thermodynamics allows for less recoil.
Greater efficiency in a rifle cartridge is obtained by increasing the shoulder angle, shortening the case, and reducing case taper! Duh.....:rolleyes:

I suggest that you Google the following subject Super... try not to get a headache...:p
Thermodynamics and Cartridge Efficiency
 
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Guys I was just haveing fun. The short mags definatly have their place. My buddy just bought a BLR 300 short. Its very accurate and a handy gun if you like that sort of thing. If you put them in a shorter lighter gun like a Kimber great. If you put them in a 24" barreled 3/8" shorter actioned gun please don't tell me they're better than a standard mag. Rem. Senderos or RMEF 700s in WSMs are just plain stupid. Again lets not get into the which is better crap. As far as recoil, if you push a bullet fast its going to kick magic or not.
 
Shoot a .338WM for a while, then switch to shooting the .270WSM, now there will be less complaints ;)

Powder makes a big difference IMHO. I had loaded my .338 with IMR4831, it was rather nice to shoot. I developed some new loads using IMR 4350 and it made me pay attention. So, could the difference in the .270 and .300 be the powder charge? :confused:
 
BIGREDD said:
You are either very slow or just trying to get me going...;)
What is Significant to you?
Any difference in recoil is significant when shooting a lot or for accuracy!
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Thanks for the reply ....... I am neither "very slow" or trying to "get you going". My intelligence level is pretty much just average, which is OK with me. If I was a gifted (read special) sort of fellow like you, people would expect more of me and my life would not be as simple and I would have unwanted/unneeded stressors. Life is just too short for that hassle. :p

My definition of significant would be a reduction of recoil that would be readily apparent to the average shooter at the bench, giving him an advantage while shooting similar caliber/weight bullets at similar velocities.

Thank-you for the read on Thermodynamics and Cartridge Efficiency. I did get a headache. :mad: If my average mind can understand it, there is less recoil from a short mag cuz there is less powder used to achieve similar velocities with similar bullets.

I guess I'd like to know just how much of a difference would it make between a 300WinMag and a 300WSM with just a few grains less powder used in the loadings and all else being equal.

BR ....... I still love you, even though you eluded that I was slow. :D
 
You can fel a bit of a difference, I think. Not much, but maybe a bit..I woudln't suggest that if someone cannot handle a 300WM that a 300WSM is going to cure his flinch, though...;)
 
Cant we all just get along? My original post was about muzzle jump, not felt recoil. No I' not a wuss when it comes to recoil, I shoot lots of slugs,sabots out of shot guns, use a 10 GA every year for geese and duck, and used countless so called mags with no issues.
 
Bear250b said:
Cant we all just get along? My original post was about muzzle jump, not felt recoil. No I' not a wuss when it comes to recoil, I shoot lots of slugs,sabots out of shot guns, use a 10 GA every year for geese and duck, and used countless so called mags with no issues.
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Bear, we DO get along, that's just our way of doing so. Perhaps your thread was taken off topic, you could be right. Is there a possibility that your deviant muzzle jump in comparing the two rifles is caused by a different setting of that Boss system on your Browning? Just throwing that out for ya as I don't have any experience with those Boss thingamajigs. Relax dude, stick around long enough and I'm sure someone can help you :)
 
Gatehouse said:
In 300WSM vs 300WM You do get to burn a bit less powder wiht the WSM to achieve the same velocities, though. Recoil is maybe a bit less, if using the same rifle.:dancingbanana:
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Come on man. You think that the shape of a piece of brass is going to over come case capacity? Don't get me wrong, I liked my M70 300WSM and love my Kimber 270WSM, but they do not recoil any less than the 300 Win or the 7mm Rem Mag I owned before. Case capacity dictates velocity, and case design effects efficiency. Efficiency has nothing to do with more velocity with less powder, the same charge of powder produces the same amount of expanding gases every time;and that dictates how fast your projectile will travel. All efficiency creates is a platform that is better suited to develop accuracy (and nice tidy short actions:)).
And yes, I do find that my 270 WSM is is a little snappy, but it`s better than my 7.5lbs .338WM:D. I get bruises from my hat brim with that bad boy.
Also, I may need to see a doctor, cause I can`t `fel`me legs;can you help me GH?:evil:
 
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rem338win said:
Come on man. You think that the shape of a piece of brass is going to over come case capacity?
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I didn't say anything about case capacity. I said that the 300WSM needs a little less powder to generate the same velocities as a 300WM. Any loading manual can tell you that.


Don't get me wrong, I liked my M70 300WSM and love my Kimber 270WSM, but they do not recoil any less than the 300 Win or the 7mm Rem Mag I owned before.
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Hey, whatever. A little less powder may make a difference, might not be a great difference. Try reading what I posted.

Case capacity dictates velocity, and case design effects efficiency.
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Welcome to 4 years ago...

Efficiency has nothing to do with more velocity with less powder, the same charge of powder produces the same amount of expanding gases every time;and that dictates how fast your projectile will travel. All efficiency creates is a platform that is better suited to develop accuracy (and nice tidy short actions:
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More case capacity = Greater velocity, all else being equal.

Using 2 cases, one larger than the other, and the same powder charge, the pressure will be higher wih tthe smaller case.

Pressure= Velocity.

Here is what I actually said (bold added for emphasis):

In 300WSM vs 300WM You do get to burn a bit less powder wiht the WSM to achieve the same velocities

For instance, the Hodgon manual lists

300WSM
70gr H4831
2929 fps

300WM
73gr H4831
2966

3 gr more powder, 37fps more velocity. 3 grains is not much, but there you have it...

We have covered here many times about how the 300WSM equals 300WSM velocities in factroy ammo, but the 300WM has more capacity than the 300WSM, and so can be handoaded to higher velocities. I've loaded for both, and case capacity does indeed trump "efficiency"


At least you have tried the WSM's before comenting on them, though..:D:D:D
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