270wsm vs 300wsm

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Just looking for some opinions on recoil comparison. I had a 300wsm that was around 7.5 lbs and found the recoil to be quite a bit for a person of my build to shoot a lot. One of the guns I'm looking to get Is a sako a7 tachomate but it only comes in 270/300wsm so I'm wondering if the recoil would be a little more manageable. If not I guess I'll just get a weather warrior in 308. I just don't want to spend another $1500 on a rifle I don't like to shoot.

Thanks for the input.
 
If you think about recoil, it means it's a problem for you. Ok not a problem, but substantial inconvenience. In this case you should not even consider short magnums. Both kick harder, cost more and have little of actual value.

If I were you, I would buy sako finnnlight in 308 or even better in 6.5x55 sweede.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/sako-85-finnlight-st/

It is better rifle for slightly more money. If in couple of years things get worse you will sell it for more money than A7. And 6.5x55 is one of the finest rounds to shoot for pleasure and kill with.
 
Picked up a Sako A7 in .300 Wsm . She sure had a hell of a kick out of the box. First time at the range I could only handle bout a dozen rounds before my shoulder quit. Recoil was comparable to 12 g deer slugs from my mossy 500.

I added a limbsaver recoil pad and now I can shoot it all day.

If you do pick up a Sako A7, make sure you use the medium rings or the spent casings will fail to eject.
 
Would have to assume the 270 would kick less ... I have a 270win in a long action and its a safe queen now since i started buying 300wsm's. On my 4th one, I like my 7rem for long range but for all around hunting i have a REM Titanium in 300wsm set up to shoot out to 700 yards. Has really turned into my alltime favorite rifle and cartridge by far.
 
That's exactly what I had was a a7 in 300wsm and It was everything I could do to put a box threw it for brake in. A limbsaver helped a bit but the muzzle brake toned it down a lot and was very shooter friendly, but it became so loud it wasn't much fun to hunt with in close quarters because I always had to worry about ear plugs.

I'd love a finnlight but there not cheap. Might just look for another a7 in 308 tho because it was a great rifle. The weather warriors have been catching my eye a lot to so who knows.
 
owlowl said:
If you think about recoil, it means it's a problem for you. Ok not a problem, but substantial inconvenience. In this case you should not even consider short magnums. Both kick harder, cost more and have little of actual value.

If I were you, I would buy sako finnnlight in 308 or even better in 6.5x55 sweede.

http://www.berettausa.com/products/sako-85-finnlight-st/

It is better rifle for slightly more money. If in couple of years things get worse you will sell it for more money than A7. And 6.5x55 is one of the finest rounds to shoot for pleasure and kill with.
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You have been lead down the garden path.
 
Two of my main hunting rifles are a husqvarna .270 and a weatherby 300, and to be honest there's not that much a difference between the two. Neither is that bad on the shoulder.
 
It's far, far better to use a gun that you can handle and shoot well, tan "put up with" the recoil of something you don't handle. Get a .308 or 7-08, practice lots (easy to do when the snot isn't being kicked out of you) and use some good ammo when you go hunting. Way better to put a .308 bullet through the lungs of a moose and watch it die than to flinch with your magnum and hit it in the ass and watch it run away.
 
I have a sako 75 300WSM and it does kick no doubt.
At the begining it was too much but to me every rifle kicks,.308 is a kicker as well!
It all depends on you and if persistant enough you will shoot every rifle same.
More it hurts on shoulder more you have to shoot and there would be no fllinch,
If you have a light shoulders you will have a recoil problem no matter the calibre unless you are ready to drag 10-12 lb around and that will change the game. You have to shoot enough to start getting used to it.
Start reloading,after so many wasted nights preparing the casings and loading them,after so many wasted rounds because of recoil you will try to avoid it and concetrate shooting not thinking about flinch. That what worked for me.
If after all of that you still have a flinch forget about calibres and rifles,you are .22 type of guy start plinking.
By the way how is ice and fishing( if you are jr fish i know)?
 
1) Muzzle Energy:

300 WSM
165 grain - 5,162 J

270 WSM
150 grain - 4,442 J

308 win
165 grain - 3,621 J

Which means that 300 WSM is roughly 15% more energy than 270 WSM and 42% more energy than 308. And 270 WSM is 22% more energy than 308.

How you "feel" it depends on everything from clothes, mass of the shooter, mass of the rifle, way of shouldering, presence of sharp spikes in the butt plate and so on. However, for same rifle, same shooter energy of a kick of 300 WSM is 42% more than 308.

2) Why you came to 270/300 wsm:

You are saying that you want sako A7 and it only comes in short mags. Ok, fair enough. But I'm assure you that you DON'T want sako A7.

What is A7? It is overpriced Tikka. Bolt is 2 lugs push feed with spring ejector - same as Tikka. Bolt has plastic in it - same as Tikka. A7 has plastic single stack 3 round magazine - same as Tikka. It has pic rail mounts - same as Tikka.

Tikka T3 light stainless MSRP - $800
A7 MSRP - $1375

You are playing premium for a label, but technically you are buying same steel for 70% more.


At the same time, if you look at Finnlight (plastic) or Gray Wolf (laminate) they are real Sako 85

Bolt is all steel, 3 lugs, (semi) controlled feed, mechanical blade ejector. Magazines are all metal 5 rounds double stack. Mounts are for rings and bases.

MSRP on grey wolf, finnlight about $1700. Which is 20% more than A7.

3) Real question is

If you don't care about technical, buy Tikka - much cheaper, any caliber you wish. If you care about technical - buy real Sako, again, in any caliber.

But first, ask yourself, do you really want to buy 70% overpriced A7 with 42% more kick energy than 308 :)
 
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jr.fish said:
Just looking for some opinions on recoil comparison. I had a 300wsm that was around 7.5 lbs and found the recoil to be quite a bit for a person of my build to shoot a lot. One of the guns I'm looking to get Is a sako a7 tachomate but it only comes in 270/300wsm so I'm wondering if the recoil would be a little more manageable. If not I guess I'll just get a weather warrior in 308. I just don't want to spend another $1500 on a rifle I don't like to shoot.

Thanks for the input.
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In my honest opinion...For any critter in Canada including polar bear, anything bigger then a 30-06 is more of a "I wanna see mega damage" gun then needed. My cousin uses a 270WSM in our deer camp and it is way to much gun! I dun seen some nasty wounds on deer, moose and bear. But that 270 is just murder on deer! We all told him if he didn't get a more practical deer gun we was gonna throw his in the damn pond! I mean, do you really need a exit wound on a 250 pound deer that you can fit your head in? We are meat hunters and he wastes a pile of it, we put him on the worst watches we got.
 
trapoholic said:
In my honest opinion...For any critter in Canada including polar bear, anything bigger then a 30-06 is more of a "I wanna see mega damage" gun then needed. My cousin uses a 270WSM in our deer camp and it is way to much gun! I dun seen some nasty wounds on deer, moose and bear. But that 270 is just murder on deer! We all told him if he didn't get a more practical deer gun we was gonna throw his in the damn pond! I mean, do you really need a exit wound on a 250 pound deer that you can fit your head in? We are meat hunters and he wastes a pile of it, we put him on the worst watches we got.
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Better have him practice not taking out the shoulders with the shots! Double lung behind shoulders works great.

As mentioned the A7 is an entry level Sako rifle. Some of the m75 features but not all. I would tend to agree, buy the Tikka and put the extra money into a good scope. If you cant handle the recoil, you will always flinch and possibly miss or wound your game-might want to consider different caliber.

My wife shoots her T3 LS 270WSM with no problems. I almost prefer hunting with this rifle myself as I had one too-just sold it recently to my bro-inlaw to fund the recent purchase of a mint Sako m75ss 270WSM in the SM action.
 
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Mighty Peace said:
Better have him practice not taking out the shoulders with the shots! Double lung behind shoulders works great.
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And he still blows half the rib cage out with behind the shoulder shots! Although the 150 grain federal blue box he used last year only left a baseball size hole...Not as big as usual.
 
im planing on getting a 308, was just considering the 270wsm if the recoil was reasonably less then my 300wsm i had. im not a fan of the tikkas at all. the sako a7's are a much better rifle in my eyes. i cant see myself buying a gun with a 100% plastic clip. just seams like garbage to me plus the a7 atleast has steel feed lips as well as 3 locking lugs not 2 as mentioned above. also has a actual sako trigger thats adjustable and i dont have to buy special rings for integral bases like the tikka. the only downfall i see on the a7 is that theres limited stocks made for it. im just not a fan of the tikka. id rather buy a stevens 200 and put some time and money into it but thats just my opinion.
 
jr.fish said:
im planing on getting a 308, was just considering the 270wsm if the recoil was reasonably less then my 300wsm i had. im not a fan of the tikkas at all. the sako a7's are a much better rifle in my eyes. i cant see myself buying a gun with a 100% plastic clip. just seams like garbage to me plus the a7 atleast has steel feed lips as well as 3 locking lugs not 2 as mentioned above. also has a actual sako trigger thats adjustable and i dont have to buy special rings for integral bases like the tikka. the only downfall i see on the a7 is that theres limited stocks made for it. im just not a fan of the tikka. id rather buy a stevens 200 and put some time and money into it but thats just my opinion.
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Just for the record, Tikka triggers are easily adjustable and the receive is drilled and tapped.... you don't need special rings / bases. Have you ever heard of anyone having a problem with a Tikka magazine? The rifle has been out for about 10 years now, and the biggest complaint you hear about the magazines is the cost to replace one.
 
In our hunting camp the guy with the 30/06 180g. pulverizes meat...shoulder shots. It took alot to convince him to shoot heart, lung or neck[100yard]. I hunt with a 300wsm and use proper bullet placement and have very little meat wastage.
 
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