.280 for Elk?

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So I think this will get a few opinions. I have a .280 in a Remington Mtn Rifle. I have handloaded some 139 gr Interbonds, chrony'd at 3090 to 3110 fps. I'm hunting Elk in the mountains west of Chain Lakes [really steep country where the shots could be short in the trees, or as long as you want in the clear-cuts]. Seems like most people hunting elk like the magnums. What do people think of this set-up for elk?
 
nothing wrong- it's basically an 7mm/06 ( the bullet diameter of 7mm is 284) - you just have to stalk closer and use a premium bullet like a nosler
 
I have a lot of respect for Elks ability to not die when you want them to. thier lungs are no tougher then any other ungulates but the rest of them sure is. I don't own a magnum but if I did it would be because the good lord created Elk. That being said we just killed a large one standing perfectly broad side at 200 yds with a .264/156 grain bullet @ 2550FPS. Bullet openend on a rib, held together nicely, shredded the lungs to soup, poked a nice hole in the top of the heart and came to rest in between two off side ribs. That elk would have covered alot of ground if a second bullet in the spine did'nt put it down.
Anything will work it is just a matter of how many less then perfect shots you want to pass up and how much you want to risk your elk getting down into a hole you have to get it back out of.
The Elk meat in your freezer will pay for a stevens/savage magnum with change to spare for optics. The joy of an elk falling down 'right now' will pay for a marlin 450!
 
270's have been killing elk for 80 years. Alot of that time was in the s**tty bullet era, and it still worked. With a premium bullet I would suspect the 280 will kill any elk in the world at any sane range, assuming the bullet impacts the vitals.

If I was using the 280 I would probably use a 140, 150, 160 gr TSX. Nosler Accubond in 160gr, Nosler Partition in 160 or 175 gr, or similar bullets. I would also probably keep ranges inside 300 yards.

Id rather have a 30-06 or 300 mag, 8mm Mag, 338 Mag or similar for the added insurance. Elk can be tough but shot placement is #1
 
I have a lot of respect for Elks ability to not die when you want them to. thier lungs are no tougher then any other ungulates but the rest of them sure is. I don't own a magnum but if I did it would be because the good lord created Elk. That being said we just killed a large one standing perfectly broad side at 200 yds with a .264/156 grain bullet @ 2550FPS. Bullet openend on a rib, held together nicely, shredded the lungs to soup, poked a nice hole in the top of the heart and came to rest in between two off side ribs. That elk would have covered alot of ground if a second bullet in the spine did'nt put it down.
Anything will work it is just a matter of how many less then perfect shots you want to pass up and how much you want to risk your elk getting down into a hole you have to get it back out of.
The Elk meat in your freezer will pay for a stevens/savage magnum with change to spare for optics. The joy of an elk falling down 'right now' will pay for a marlin 450!



whoaaaaa,....what am I missing or reading wrong....

You turned the lungs to soup, poked a good hole in the heart,...but if it wasn't for the second spine shot, the aniaml would have gone a long ways...

If turning both lungs to soup, and putting a good size hole in the heart, is not enough,..please do tell what is?????

I have shot elk with a 45/70...450 and 30/30, and witnessed 30/06, 300ws,. 7mm rem mag, 260 and 280...

While the 450 and 45/70 did show the most impressive,.. all the others did the job very well, and not one animal that had the lungs blown and heart torn, went very far...
 
I've seen what a .270 130gr. TSX will do on a big bull moose (penetration/tissue damage). I would have no reservations shooting an elk with with a bullet in the 140gr. range as long as it was one of the premium
controlled expansion types.
 
,...but if it wasn't for the second spine shot, the aniaml would have gone a long ways...

Obviously you have never seen an elk go down hill long after it is dead. You obviously also have not packed an elk up hill in 20 degree celcius heat. I watched this particular animal making a lot of ground (despite the cloud of red mist precedding it) that is about all i can say. Feel free to drop by and watch the video.

Some folks seem to think howitzers are required to bring down game, I have never understood that mentality.

I am mister " no need for magnum" as is evidence by the load I chose to take to the most productive elk spot in B.C that being said most people are not fans of passing on shots that sub magnum calibers don't allow to be taken. You really can't argue that more is not better. If a premium bullet at 3000 fps is sufficient is'nt a heavier premium bullet going faster better??? I hunt 20 mins from the house and am lucky enough to be able to do so 3 months straight at will. If I was paying big bucks to travel and using my precious days of vacation you can bet I would be packing something that would allow me to take advantage of more opportunities then does a 160 grain 2500fps load.

To me the diffrence between an ELk in heavy cover going even an extra 50 yards means alot of extra pain and suffering in the recovery and packing. The OP might want to think about that when he pulls the trigger on an elk in the described 'steep' terrain. But if you have nothing better to do then track wounded game and wear your spine out humping it to where it needs to go use a marginal cartridge.

Shoot elk with what ever is at hand but don't try and say that your going to have as many chances at an easy harvest with a 30-30 as with a cartridge driving a heavier bullet faster.
 
A 68 year old elk hunter I know, used a 270 exclusively for over 40 years and shot WAY more elk than current hunting regulations would allow.

I have shot 3 elk with a 270. All 3 very dead, very quick.

The 280 with good bullets and proper placement and a 250 to 300 ish yard max will do everything you want it to.

Get your self down to Russells and buy some TSX or Partition bullets though. I have had such bad luck with core/jacket separation on deer with Hornady that i will only use them for target or V-Max for varmints where they are supposed to come apart!

280 is so close the the greatest cartridge of all time :rockOn: that it should be ALMOST as great as the 270. Now that out to rattle a few folks!
 
I have never visited a site that is so closed minded and not open to light hearted discussion. I once watched a fellow member read a thead where someone asked if grouse could be called or lured. He was laughing so hard he was almost crying as he read a reply where someone told him to fill a bag with gravel and shake it, and all the sarcastic posts of bs ways to lure a grouse to a hide. The poor fellah believed these posters and was fonna try their tactics for grouse hunting. All I could think was here is someone who did not have a mentor to teach him how to hunt and took the time to join a site to learn how. But the all knowledgeable members who have godlike hunting knowledge took the time to crap on this poor person just because he didn't know better. Maybee its just me but I think there needs to be a little more just tossing around thoughts around the campfire around here than hey stupid get lost the men are talking.
 
.280 for elk

By all means, you can use the .280 Remington for Elk. A lot of Elk were taken with the .270 Winchester with 130 grain bullets, and the .280 is similar.

Personally, I would load a bit heavier bullet, something in the 150 to 160 grain range. Premium bullets are worth the price for hunting big game animals.

Elk tend to be a bit tough, but SHOT PLACEMENT is what counts. If you hit it in a vital spot, it will go down. If you do a gut shot, or in a non-vital area, you have a wounded elk that can travel amazing distances. Using a non-magnum cartridge is generally better for an average hunter, because the associated noise and recoil of a magnum rifle is not conductive to better accuracy in the average hunter, or novice. Unless you put a lot of bullets through a Magnum and get used to it, it is generally better to stay with a non-magnum calibre.

Many people are under the impression that a magnum cartridge is needed because of the hitting power. If that elk is hit in the proper place, it does not know whether he got hit with a magnum or non-magnum. Both will do the job. The advantage of magnums is that they can shoot a heavier bullet at standard velocities.

If you honestly look at the average ranges that big game animals are shot, I think you will find that most are under 200 yards. A survey was done years ago, and the average range on elk was about 124 yards, and under 90 yards for deer.

In my experience, hunting Southern Alberta and South Eastern B.C., (from the Porcupine Hills to the Kootenay River), and having shot over 40 elk in my time, there was only 3 occasions where I had to fire a second shot to bring an elk down. (This does not count a few times I put a finishing shot into an elk to dispatch it.) Of lots of guns to choose from, the one I reached for during the big game season was a .308 Winchester calibre, Ruger International Carbine with an 18 1/2 barrel, loaded with 165 grain handloads. It did the job for me, and I did not feel under gunned.

Chosing a suitable firearm and calibre is a personal preference. I have seen elk shot with everything from a .243 to a .375 H&H. If you hit them in the proper place, they will go down. The woman with the .243 had a 100 grain Speer Grand Slam, put it in the heart/lung area, and then waited about a half hour before following it up. It went about 80 yards, with a good blood trail, and laid down. It was dead when she got to it. It was her first elk.

Let the others have their magnums. Just load a good bullet in the .280, get as much practice as you can, zero about 3 inches high at 100 yards and you can aim dead on out to about 250 and you will not be more than 3 inches high or low from your aiming point, and go hunting.

Take the road that runs west from the north end of the Chain Lakes, and go shoot your elk.
 
I shot my bull (in Avator) with a 140gr TSX at 328 yards with a 7-08AI. MV was somewhere around 2950 and the bullet busted through both shoulders. No issues at all and I will be using the same rifle for elk in the future!
 
I have packed and shot my share...right now though, I gotta call BS on your post though, sorry,..

I do not believe, simply because I have never senn it, that an elk with "both lungs shot to soup" and "heart shot"' as well, would cover a lot of ground. Yes the animals are tough, but the internal organs and physiology doesnt make an elk any different than any other animal, ,,, with both lungs gone and the heart shot, it is not going far.

I have seen a single lung shot elk go a mile,... but never an animal with both lungs turned to soup and the bullet putting a good size hole in the heart, which is what you said, never have I seen an animal with that much vital damage go very far, if anywhere.

Please tell me what shot would have provided adequate damage. Two lungs turned to soup and a hole in the heart wasn't enough,...so what would have been? I'm dead serious,.. I want to know, what shot will do it if wiping out the vitals does not...

should we be aiming for the spine with all our shots on elk?


Obviously you have never seen an elk go down hill long after it is dead. You obviously also have not packed an elk up hill in 20 degree celcius heat. I watched this particular animal making a lot of ground (despite the cloud of red mist precedding it) that is about all i can say. Feel free to drop by and watch the video.



I am mister " no need for magnum" as is evidence by the load I chose to take to the most productive elk spot in B.C that being said most people are not fans of passing on shots that sub magnum calibers don't allow to be taken. You really can't argue that more is not better. If a premium bullet at 3000 fps is sufficient is'nt a heavier premium bullet going faster better??? I hunt 20 mins from the house and am lucky enough to be able to do so 3 months straight at will. If I was paying big bucks to travel and using my precious days of vacation you can bet I would be packing something that would allow me to take advantage of more opportunities then does a 160 grain 2500fps load.

To me the diffrence between an ELk in heavy cover going even an extra 50 yards means alot of extra pain and suffering in the recovery and packing. The OP might want to think about that when he pulls the trigger on an elk in the described 'steep' terrain. But if you have nothing better to do then track wounded game and wear your spine out humping it to where it needs to go use a marginal cartridge.

Shoot elk with what ever is at hand but don't try and say that your going to have as many chances at an easy harvest with a 30-30 as with a cartridge driving a heavier bullet faster.
 
You would have to 'improve' the .280 to up the powder charge to 'magnum' territory in order to kill an elk......
Never mind all the elk shot and killed with a .30-30, loaded with poor quality cup and core bullets and a mediocre muzzle velocity.....
 
To me the diffrence between an ELk in heavy cover going even an extra 50 yards means alot of extra pain and suffering in the recovery and packing. The OP might want to think about that when he pulls the trigger on an elk in the described 'steep' terrain. But if you have nothing better to do then track wounded game and wear your spine out humping it to where it needs to go use a marginal cartridge.
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I find it surprising that such an avid elk hunter puts a 50 yrd limit on what's extra pain and suffering,... now I do agree, that it could be a bit more work,...but here's a question...

you have an elk at 100 yrds in your sights, he doesn't go broadside until 150 yrds... would you pass beacause it's an extra 50 yrds you have to lug him?

If you think that a 160 or 170 or 140 grain bullet can't drop an elk effectively, you need to get out more...

If an animal with no lungs and a shot heart, requires a spine shot to keep it from covering a lot of ground, you don't need a bigger bullet, you need a sliver bullet.
 
I've killed several elk and moose using a 280 with 140 Swift A-frames and 150 Sciroccos. As with the other posts, you don't need to feel under-gunned with the 280. Personally I'd choose a tougher bullet than the Hornady (Partition, A-Frame, TSX, etc.). Hit them in the right spot and keep shooting until they stop. They are heavy and why carry them farther than you have to...
 
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