2nd best to Anschutz...

I have owned pretty well all of them, and my personal experience puts the Suhl on top. However, try to find one! I got lucky. Eventually sold my 2-M54 Match Annies, because both my 40X Remington and my Suhl outshot them, time after time. Had the 40X on the line the other day, and it still impresses the onlookers. The Suhl is in a league of it's own. At a serious BR competition, you will not see a Sako, a Mossberg, a CZ 452, nor several others that are good rimfires, even great rimfires, but not competitive with the big dogs. There are a couple of custom actions, that are stellar performers with a good barrel, but in production guns available right now, the 40X and the Anschutz are the ones to beat. As has already been mentioned, serious benchrest matches see few production guns...mostly well worked over units. Regards, Eagleye.
 
eagleye said:
i have owned pretty well all of them, and my personal experience puts the suhl on top. However, try to find one! I got lucky. Eventually sold my 2-m54 match annies, because both my 40x remington and my suhl outshot them, time after time. Had the 40x on the line the other day, and it still impresses the onlookers. The suhl is in a league of it's own. At a serious br competition, you will not see a sako, a mossberg, a cz 452, nor several others that are good rimfires, even great rimfires, but not competitive with the big dogs. There are a couple of custom actions, that are stellar performers with a good barrel, but in production guns available right now, the 40x and the anschutz are the ones to beat. As has already been mentioned, serious benchrest matches see few production guns...mostly well worked over units. Regards, eagleye.
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thanks eagleye for straighting out this post and tell everone what the real rim fires are
manitou
 
I shot a lot of benchrest matchs in the past and I agree with Eagleye: as a factory barreled action, the Suhl 150 is hard to beat. I'm lucky enough to own one and it is indeed the most accurate BR gun I own.

I also own an early 60's 40X that is highly accurate. I don't think that all 40X were created equal: the ones manufactured from the early '60's 'til the end of the '80s were the best. Very few people are having success with the factory barrels of the later versions made in the '90s and after...

My game is now smallbore prone. I shoot a round 54 with a Hart barrel. Most people here in Canada shoot the round or square versions of the 54. But we also see Feinwerkbau, Walther and Bleiker on the firing lane:

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Even more exotic are these new offerings from Männel and Grünig & Elminger:

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Paul
 
I have a few high end 22 rimfires, I have a P94s Sako that will shoot as good or better than most Anschutz 54 action rifles. NOt sure if this just happens to be an exceptional shooter, but it will shoot under 1" with Federal ammunition. My Anschutz will do the same but it likes the stuff that is around $10.00 a box.
 
gforce55 said:
I have a few high end 22 rimfires, I have a P94s Sako that will shoot as good or better than most Anschutz 54 action rifles. NOt sure if this just happens to be an exceptional shooter, but it will shoot under 1" with Federal ammunition. My Anschutz will do the same but it likes the stuff that is around $10.00 a box.
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I owned a P94S Sako for a while as well. It was a very accurate rimfire, but I would not have taken it to a serious benchrest match at any time. The FWB's, Walthers, Annies and 40X's would have put egg on my face.
I presume you are talking 1" at 100 yards/meters. How many shots? 5 or 10? This Federal ammo...Federal Gold Match or run of the mill ammo. No one who wanted to be competitive would hit a benchrest match with standard issue ammunition. One of the selections from RWS, Eley, Lapua, etc will take home the trophy, Eley being in the #1 spot most often.
To win a BR match, you will normally have to put 10 shots at 100 into less than 5/8 inch.
A tougher match yet is IR 50/50. 25 shots, one at each target at 50 yards or 50 meters, 30 minutes total, must be shot outdoors, and the very small dot in the center must be completely punched out to score an "X" Most of these matches are determined by the number of x's. I have yet to shoot a clean target in this game. [best is 249 - 14X] [possible is 250 - 25X] Regards, Eagleye.
 
wow some nice rifles in the latest posts, sure turned me off of ordering a new remmington 40x will wait for the Bleiker or Walther
 
I am looking into rimfire F class practise rifles and am enjoying this post.

I agree having spent time with rimfires for silhouette shooting. Most production rifles aren't bughole consistent.

But we are talking production rifles with factory barrels.

What would a rebarreled Cz/Bruno or Annie do with a Shilen match barrel?

I see the Shilens and Benchmark and Lilja's doing exceedingly well in the 50BR world on custom actions but how would that translate to a rebarreled factory action?

Same concept as what we do everyday in the centerfire world.

custom or Suhl actions are hard to find or lots of money. Can one of these factory actions rebarreld do the heavy lifting of the custom actions?

I really am curious.

I competed with Bruno #4 modified and also a Norinco sporter (CZ American clone). that norinco shot really quite well and more then accurate enough for the silhouette game.

Would a rebarrel have helped?

Jerry
 
If the silhouette rifle will shoot 1.5 minutes or less,successfull silhouette shooting is largely a function of good hold and trigger release timing. And a 1 minute gun will allow for more inconsistency in hold. In contrast I would think a good 50m 3-position rifle should shoot 1/4moa or less. A good RF benchrest rifle should do that or better.

There are a number of our local silo competitors who have rebarreled Sakos,Anschutz 1712 FWT and BRNO that shoot really well and there are a number of factory barreled Ansch 1712s that shoot well also - 1 moa with good ammunition. None of these would I use for any precision RF shooting.

The features of various rifles for the different disciplines make them conducive to success in the respective discipline. One of the benefits of a rifle like a 40xRF is that it has many features of the CF counterpart that enables quick transition of technique to the CF FClass gun.
 
mysticplayer said:
I am looking into rimfire F class practise rifles and am enjoying this post.

I agree having spent time with rimfires for silhouette shooting. Most production rifles aren't bughole consistent.

But we are talking production rifles with factory barrels.

What would a rebarreled Cz/Bruno or Annie do with a Shilen match barrel?

I see the Shilens and Benchmark and Lilja's doing exceedingly well in the 50BR world on custom actions but how would that translate to a rebarreled factory action?

Same concept as what we do everyday in the centerfire world.

custom or Suhl actions are hard to find or lots of money. Can one of these factory actions rebarreld do the heavy lifting of the custom actions?

I really am curious.

I competed with Bruno #4 modified and also a Norinco sporter (CZ American clone). that norinco shot really quite well and more then accurate enough for the silhouette game.

Would a rebarrel have helped?

Jerry
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Quality air rifles are probably the most accurate, if that is what you are looking for.
 
I need to be able to shoot at least 100yds and not change shooting positions to simulate the prone shooting I do.

I guess a compressed air rifle would work but I see the better ones are ubber money.

I just got my last part for my 10/22 build and have assembled for some testing. Kind of a gale right now but what the heck.

Jerry
 
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