.30-06, 168 tsx, h4350
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I run 58 grs with RP brass and Fed 210m primers. Velocity is 2875 in my son's Sako 75 hunter. I developed this load before the newer manual came out with the milder loads.
Great killer, it's dumped a bunch of deer, both kinds, zebra, gemsbok, kudu and a bunch of smaller african animals.
Great killer, it's dumped a bunch of deer, both kinds, zebra, gemsbok, kudu and a bunch of smaller african animals.
Thanks for the info guys. I'm not sure how Barnes came up with their data for that one, but 55.5gr only runs 2700 out of mine, and they show 2825. I'm thinking its a typo.
Interestingly, they show 55gr throwing the 180TSX at 2725.
No doubt it will. Using the Barnes data, its identical to my .308...
Interestingly, they show 55gr throwing the 180TSX at 2725.
No doubt it will. Using the Barnes data, its identical to my .308...
Looking in BARNES manual #3 I see they recommend the following for their coated 168gr.XLC bullet and H4350:
starting data--56grs = 2834fps
max data------60grs = 3023fps
All from a 24" barrel..
Better than a 30-30 for sure, but not as good as a .32 Special eh?...
starting data--56grs = 2834fps
max data------60grs = 3023fps
All from a 24" barrel..
Better than a 30-30 for sure, but not as good as a .32 Special eh?...
Thanks for the info guys. I'm not sure how Barnes came up with their data for that one, but 55.5gr only runs 2700 out of mine, and they show 2825. I'm thinking its a typo.
Interestingly, they show 55gr throwing the 180TSX at 2725.
No doubt it will. Using the Barnes data, its identical to my .308...
I think BArnes bullets sometimes give inconsistent pressures. When manuals 1 through 3 were done they didn't have sophisicated pressure equipment. I think I read a story on it in HAndloader a few years back.
Bottom line they discovered that the relief grooves didn't reduce pressures like they thought they would, they did however solve the accuracy problems of the original X bullets.
I don't know how you guys get so much speed out of 165 grain bullet with 4350 powder.
Here is the results of testing I did a number of years ago.
Note the bottom chart, showing results from two 30-06 rifles. Sure a lot less than some of the figures you other fellows got.
Here is the results of testing I did a number of years ago.
Note the bottom chart, showing results from two 30-06 rifles. Sure a lot less than some of the figures you other fellows got.
I don't know how you guys get so much speed out of 165 grain bullet with 4350 powder.
Here is the results of testing I did a number of years ago.
Note the bottom chart, showing results from two 30-06 rifles. Sure a lot less than some of the figures you other fellows got.
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Yours IMR or H4350?
I don't know why the difference, just looking at your sheet there and the velocities for the 165 gr bullet and 200 grainer are the same.
Almost like your 4350 was really 4831 or something similar and your load wasn't generating enough pressure.
No, there was no danger of wrong powder, or wrong charge in these notes. I am very meticulous to load exactly as I say it is loaded. I think it is about right, that the 165 and 200 are about the same velocity with the same charge. The 200 grain bullets would have much greater pressure than the 165.
Notice in my little note that I call the 165s "low pres." and the 200s I have marked as "med. pres." My designation of medium pressure could easily be what someone else would call high pressure.
Notice in my little note that I call the 165s "low pres." and the 200s I have marked as "med. pres." My designation of medium pressure could easily be what someone else would call high pressure.
I know from reading your posts you are a meticulous handloader, I was talking about my experience with 4831 and the 165 gr bullet. IT was a great load, accurate, killed, mild recoil. Then I ran it over the chrony, sounds like what happenned to you here.
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Most reloading data is done out of 24" barrels. Most factory rifles are 22" or less (there are 24" or more depending on caliber, but this is what I see most). That 2 inches could very well make up 125 fps, which is all you're worried about. At that speed and bullet weight, 125 fps means sweet d*ck to your ballistics at any reasonable shooting distance.
I'm reloading, and I have a chrony. I'm less worried about how fast the bullet moves than by how accurate it is. A .308 cal bullet at 3200 fps means nothing if it doesn't go the same place you point it at. I'd rather the same bullet at 2600 in the bull every time. If I were you and that load worked in your rifle, don't worry about changing anything; use it as is and enjoy. The deer won't care.
Not really. Two of you were getting about 2850 with 58 grains in 22 inch barrels.
Each of the two rifles I used had 24 inch barrels and 58 grains only gave 2778 and 2696.
58 grains of 4350 with 165 grain bullets is usually a low pressure load.
You will note there is about a 100 fps difference between the two rifles I had. This applied to any load. However, I could just load up the slower speed Husqvarna and actually get more velocity out of it, than I could with the Remington.
I know it'll work just fine. Thing is, I'm getting 2725fps from my .308 with 165gr bullets, and its lighter and shorter. It should be able to get more speed than the .308, with more powder and a longer barrel.
When I was done with the loads I had, I fired my last 2 rounds at the 300yd target.
I know it'll work just fine. Thing is, I'm getting 2725fps from my .308 with 165gr bullets, and its lighter and shorter. It should be able to get more speed than the .308, with more powder and a longer barrel.
When I was done with the loads I had, I fired my last 2 rounds at the 300yd target.
The only thing I would caution is in my experience of about 25 animals of carying sizes Barnes Bullets are better killers when driven a bit harder. My son and I killed a bunch of critter when hunting together, me with a 300 winny and him with a 30-06 and with TSX bullets the performance tends to be a bit better when driven a 300 winny velocities than the lower ones. 2700 at the barrel is going to be close to the 2000 fps at only 300 yards where Barnes starts to question expansion. If that is your max velocity I would look at the 150 grain.
TSX's build pressure differently than conventional copper jacketed bullets and different production lots of powder vary as well of course.
In addition, TSX's are sensitive to distance from the lands and rifles vary.
that is why in my post I specified that I was loading well off the lands and with recent production H4350
I don;t really find 100+ fps difference between rifles to be unusual at all.
Pressure is velocity. That is why you could load the Husq back up and beat the Remington.
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I hear ya. A lot of factory rifles won't get within 150 fps of the "book", where a quality barrel with a minimum chamber will often beat it by the same amount with charges less than listed maximum. There can be more difference between the extremes than there are between cartridges.
