Was it the exact same rifle design?
30-06 accuracy ?
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Was it the exact same rifle design?
manbearpig
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yeah thats what im wondering.
perhaps they are comparing some old .30-06 built on a milsurp action to a new match .308. sounds like marketing to sell a lot of new rifles in .308 when they came out.
perhaps they are comparing some old .30-06 built on a milsurp action to a new match .308. sounds like marketing to sell a lot of new rifles in .308 when they came out.
30-06 groups
i have a p14 sporter i got for FREE because the guy that owned it said it didnt shoot strait. the end of the barrel had some damage so i got the end ground. i loaded 150gr nosler balictic tips with 59 grains of rl-19 and im getting 1/2 in groups at 100 yards. not bad for a free gun
i have a p14 sporter i got for FREE because the guy that owned it said it didnt shoot strait. the end of the barrel had some damage so i got the end ground. i loaded 150gr nosler balictic tips with 59 grains of rl-19 and im getting 1/2 in groups at 100 yards. not bad for a free gun
Much like the King of rifles threads.
To be honest I'm rather suspect of the article as I have seen results from full wood original M1 Garands that do waaaaay better then the so called target rifles talked about in the article.
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My old Parker Hale Safari 1200 in 30-06 would do 2" @ 200 Yards using a 4 power scope. Not always, but fairly regularly.
I suspect it had better in it with hand loads and higher magnification.
Sold it though so...
I suspect it had better in it with hand loads and higher magnification.
Sold it though so...
I guess the days of the precission bench rest shooters must be over. They must now be completely redundant! The miniture groups they strived so hard to achieve with the best custom rifles the best gunsmiths could put together, are now topped by half the people on these posts with their sporting rifles and a mixture of different scopes!
Skimming through these posts I see someone had a 5/8" group at 200 yards. This equates to 5/16", or barely bore diameter, at 100 yards.
If any bench rest shooter has achieved this, I have never heard of it. Of course, bench rest shooters are at a disadvantage. Their scores are officially measured, witnessed and recorded.
Skimming through these posts I see someone had a 5/8" group at 200 yards. This equates to 5/16", or barely bore diameter, at 100 yards.
If any bench rest shooter has achieved this, I have never heard of it. Of course, bench rest shooters are at a disadvantage. Their scores are officially measured, witnessed and recorded.
Yeah, I think today's benchrest shooters are doing just that. I'll have to go onto one of their websites to see what current records are. But, for the .308/.30'06 controversy, I'm pretty sure the guys who built the guns for the .30'06 shooters were the same guys who built the guns for the .308 shooters, (same shooters, btw) and yeah, before the 5.56 got accurized, .308 held all the trophies. Maybe guys who could shoot to win just decided to shoot a more modern cartridge, and to heck with their match standings. Or, maybe not.
Agreed!! I actually own a sporter 30-06 that will average [not just the odd group] right at ¾ moa out past 400 yards with loads it likes, but I must say it is an exceptional rifle, and one that I will not sell. The very best part of this one is it shoots 150, 165, 180 and 200 grain bullets with equal accuracy, a very unusual trait for a 30-06. Just for the heck of it, I took it to a 1000 yard shoot, using the 175 Sierra Match King and a healthy dose of Vihtavuori N160, and shot a 10½" group. This didn't win any marbles, but it made a few of the 6mm and 6.5mm crowd nervous. I have not seen a 308 win at this long range shoot in the past 20 years, even though they keep showing up there. I believe the 308 has a slight edge on the 30-06, accuracy wise, all else being equal. However, the average shooter is unable to capitalize on the small edge that exists, and definitely not in a hunting rifle at practical hunting ranges. Regards, Eagleye.
I would be happy to get 3" - 4" groups @ 300 yards in field conditions because I do not shoot beyond that when I am carrying my 30-06...
If I am hunting an area that my shots could be further than 300 yards I take a rifle/cartridge combo that I feel more comfortable shooting further distances with.
If I am hunting an area that my shots could be further than 300 yards I take a rifle/cartridge combo that I feel more comfortable shooting further distances with.
One small group at 200 does not mean squat!! Average group size over 20 groups means something. Your understanding of ballistics leaves a bit to be desired. EE
In his defense, he is not the only one on this forum who shot a tiny group one magical Saturday, kept it in his wallet, and nonchalantly passed it off as uneventful & readily repeated.
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I have had some very accurate 30/06 hunting rifles. In fact, one of the most accurate hunting rifles I owned was a 30/06. However, in any accuracy game, I am convinced the 308 is the more accurate of the two. I HAVE shot both cartridges from rifles built one the same action and, in a couple of instances, using the same barrel. The 308 was always better.
Don't get me wrong; the 30/06 didn't suck. It just didn't shoot quite as well as the 308. I have had 308's which were legitimate 3/8 moa rifles or even a bit better. I have not managed 1/2 minute with a 30/06 on a consistent basis. I have gotten to around the 5/8 level but that's about it.
In the hunting field, all of this is, of course, meaningless. A barely sub-moa rifle is more than adequate at any reasonable range.
One thing that being connected to the internet has done for me is to destroy my confidence in my shooting ability. I'm just not that good! At three hundred meters, I often shoot groups as large as five inches with various hunting rifles. In fact, with my best target rifles, I have had a shot land four inches east or west of where I expected it to go. The average internet shooter NEVER does this so I've spent the last ten years in a state of depression over my apparent inferiority.
On the other hand, the list of rifles with which I have shot sub 1/2 moa groups is long and varied. The list includes such unlikely candidates as a Marlin 45/70 and a #4 Lee Enfield so maybe there is some hope for me. Regards, Bill.
Don't get me wrong; the 30/06 didn't suck. It just didn't shoot quite as well as the 308. I have had 308's which were legitimate 3/8 moa rifles or even a bit better. I have not managed 1/2 minute with a 30/06 on a consistent basis. I have gotten to around the 5/8 level but that's about it.
In the hunting field, all of this is, of course, meaningless. A barely sub-moa rifle is more than adequate at any reasonable range.
One thing that being connected to the internet has done for me is to destroy my confidence in my shooting ability. I'm just not that good! At three hundred meters, I often shoot groups as large as five inches with various hunting rifles. In fact, with my best target rifles, I have had a shot land four inches east or west of where I expected it to go. The average internet shooter NEVER does this so I've spent the last ten years in a state of depression over my apparent inferiority.
On the other hand, the list of rifles with which I have shot sub 1/2 moa groups is long and varied. The list includes such unlikely candidates as a Marlin 45/70 and a #4 Lee Enfield so maybe there is some hope for me. Regards, Bill.
Im going with Bill on this one. I am not ever likely to use the same hole with a 22 at 300yds so I may as well give up now. How can I live with a 30-06 that only gives moa at 200m? What good is that I ask? Maybe I should just sell all my guns and take up knitting...
