30-06 bullet test for 220 grains and 200 grains

Joel said:
The ones I've found in moose steak looked good, but then was tending to load all my 30-06 ammo to take it easy on Garands and help them have a long life at the time so...not the most velocity there.

Lots of em are definitely like Nosler BTs with non-beefed up jackets. Kinda caliber/velocity dependent.

Some gel videos are definitely highlighting the fact they come apart though...but if you want 68% weight retention, hey lol. And that's only starting em at 2750 fps or so. Guy has a Tikka with a likely 22 inch barrel but always comments on how they're slower than factory? Lol regardless.

https://youtu.be/nGllKx7Bhi8?t=179

Maybe if someone wants a bullet that holds together better on big game, that might be a clue. Something like a Terminal Ascent or other kind of bonded bullet, or even one of the regular cup and cores that did better than the SST in weight retention/penetration. Unless anyone thinks those wouldn't hold together better on game :)

Would definitely imagine, for example, the 220gr Remington load, which lost less weight, would hold together better in the animal.

Edit to add: it was pretty cool, and maybe much more enlightening, when Federal used to put femur bones and hide on the blocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ha6eo6LBmI
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Joel, I have shot over 50 head of game with Nosler Ballistic Tips. They do not retain anywhere near 100% of their weight. The last one i miraculously found what was left of it. I found the base. Just the round flat base. That tells you what the rest of it looked like. And it was a 7MM 150gr sample. Supposedly one of the tough ones. Lol.
 
pathfinder76 said:
Joel, I have shot over 50 head of game with Nosler Ballistic Tips. They do not retain anywhere near 100% of their weight. The last one i miraculously found what was left of it. I found the base. Just the round flat base. That tells you what the rest of it looked like. And it was a 7MM 150gr sample. Supposedly one of the tough ones. Lol.
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Of course they don't. No one says they do though.

I agree though, that's why I was comparing one rather fragile bullet, the SST, with another rather fragile bullet, the Ballistic Tip.

Never tried the 7mms, but the 120s often do better than that from examples I've seen come out of animals. I know the 120gr 6.5mms sure don't. Have had about the same good luck with the 180gr BT from 30 cals on deer and moose that dgradinaru describes with his 180gr 8mms.

The copper jacket is approx 2/3 of the weight so it won't disappear :)
 
Joel said:
Please show me a soft point cup and core retaining 100% of its weight in gel?

have never ever seen this. Again, some examples? You're not showing anything just stating "this happens". Find the idea of 100% weight retention in gel from a soft point one time to be unbelievable really. Let alone "often". I don't mean offense but this seems to be absolutely not grounded in fact.
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Use Gel Joel. I will use the only test medium that counts, and that is game. Nothing compares to it.
 
pathfinder76 said:
Use Gel Joel. I will use the only test medium that counts, and that is game. Nothing compares to it.
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Okay so you can't show one single example. Figured.

My problem here isn't that I think gel mirrors big game results. My problem is you're baselessy throwing out numbers as if they are real.

Gel compares bullets to each other in a repeatable, consistent medium and the results of those comparisons does carry over and have merit in big game performance :)

No matter how many big game animals you've taken, it doesn't change that you really don't know what you're talking about here if you think a soft point retains 100% of its weight in gel. Again, no offense meant. This claim would be treated as a guy saying tomorrow he could walk on water. Its not that is a bit hard to believe...its ludacrous.

I'd be really interested in hearing specifics of how that just ain't so.
 
Joel, the internet is full of neat photos of bullets pulled from ballistic gel. They are in every bullet advertisement and on ammunition boxes galore. Here, this illustrates my point perfectly. These three bullets were pulled from the same bull elk with entrance holes inside a 6” circle. Every one of them looks completely different, and will weigh differently. Do you think that would be the case if they were plucked from ballistic gel? Water jugs? Bullet performance tests are fun. I like them as much as the next guy, but they have severe limitations in practical application. At least as far as the lay tester is concerned.

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Just gel? No, not unless the speeds were rather extreme for the one that lost its petals. Gel with a pork shoulder in front of it? Yep it will :)

That said, no one, repeat no one, is saying "your gel results will mirror your big game results". So this is kinda non-sequitor. I agree though.


BUT...you'll get much, much, much different results throwing those into gel vs throwing a soft point into gel :) And they will be very informative on what to expect when you do hit big game with them. "A 6" circle" could after all mean either passing through rib cage without touching a rib, or smacking right into a leg bone, depending on the posture of an animal. Think we can both agree that the gel will show someone an SST is great in the first occurrence but you should have a Barnes for the latter! Consistently...

If this is not so, please show me ONE example of a soft point performing like a Barnes bullet on gel. Or retaining 100% of its weight.

Just one? Shouldn't be hard...
 
medvedqc said:
guys why do not go to start your own thread about best mediums to test a bullet? ... wont change test for you ...
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Is someone telling you that you have to change your test or asking you to do so? What's bothering you?
 
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dan belisle said:
I honestly don't know, I haven't bought any for a long time. - dan
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Me neither :( the 180gr round nose in 30-06 have a cult following too it seems

Regardless of what people think of gel as a medium, good round nose bullets tend to open pretty uniformly, widely, and go straight. They do that in game too, which is why they are liked
 
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Joel said:
I suck at posting video links but this is pretty cool

Remington 220 Core-Lokt from a 30-06 into gel. Great penetration considering how widely it opened up. MV was only 2300 fps too. Would say that anchors big game for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znv3RoUFZoY
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very impressive , gel is consistent , for all cal's and boolits
Game animals , never two hit exactly the same
if velocity was 2150 fps do you think the results would vary much
 
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Joel said:
Is someone telling you that you have to change your test or asking you to do so? What's bothering you?
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did i quoted you?

why on earth are you going on thread to explain something else? create your own thread and explain to the world how you feel about 200-220 grains in caliber .30 as except the post on 220 grains corelockt the rest you posted as nothing to do with the initial thread.

why cant you refrain to explain about gel while i indicated since a while i will use what is working for me in my tests?

do not like it do not come and do not intervene to bs.

thank you very much.
 
medvedqc said:
did i quoted you?

why on earth are you going on thread to explain something else? create your own thread and explain to the world how you feel about 200-220 grains in caliber .30 as except the post on 220 grains corelockt the rest you posted as nothing to do with the initial thread.

why cant you refrain to explain about gel while i indicated since a while i will use what is working for me in my tests?

do not like it do not come and do not intervene to bs.

thank you very much.
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I posted about a 220 grain 30-06 bullet. I don't think anyone could be more on topic than that no matter how hard they tried. Its a thread about testing 220 grain 30-06 bullets lol.

Pathfinder and I discussed whether the gel means anything. You'll notice I said comparing like bullets in consistent medium says something about those bullets.

Just like your water or newspaper or whatever medium you'll be testing in right? I'd think this is a GOOD thing?

It ain't like I just decided to explain to everyone how gel works in thread to show you up or steal your thunder or be critical dude. If any of that makes you feel short dicked about your tests, I'm sorry. Was never the intent. Don't care what you test them with and don't see anyone at all telling you not to do it however you want or complaining about it.
 
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thank you v ery much. that is the exact reason why i will post my results to some that are interested by the test ... you seems not and despite that you re intervening ...
 
Sorry, I am not sure what that means, I'm interested and looking forward to seeing the results...but you're a grown ass man and you can test bullets in whatever you want, and no onne ever told you not to. If the problem is I don't seem to be showing your testing due respect, I hope that helps lol

That said all I did was post a video about a 220gr bullet very much on the topic of this thread and discuss bullet testing with Pathfinder.
 
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what ever used . good stuff , can't wait .
maybe put up some polls before actual results .
I know the winner already , as always:cheers:
 
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pathfinder76 said:
Use Gel Joel. I will use the only test medium that counts, and that is game. Nothing compares to it.
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I agree with this statement but the thing about gel is that it offers a consistent medium so all bullets will be subjected to the same impact stresses.

Shooting at game will never be exactly consistent. One might hit a bigger bone at a different angle at a different velocity and thus see different results with the same bullet. There's no clear right answer to this debate.
 
SuperCub said:
I agree with this statement but the thing about gel is that it offers a consistent medium so all bullets will be subjected to the same impact stresses.
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Yeah that's what I said too. But apparently copper bullets and lead cup and core both retain 100% of their weight in gel so that's not true lol
 
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