30-06 enough for moose?

Its a location thing. Toomuchgame, Toomanymoose, Toomanyelk, NogoatsforU,
No grizforU, NosheepforU, NospringblackbearforU. You get the idea.

BTW what is TDC?
 
I've never been much of a moose hunter. Pretty much restricted myself to ones that stand on or near a road or uphill from the road at close range.
 
Hey, Janesy, if you think THAT's funny, I DARE you to go for a drive at night in Newfoundland.

You'll split a gut.

Of course, you just might burn out your brakes first.
 
Dogleg said:
I never could figure out why people can't say anything good about the '06 with bad mouthing the magnums.
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If you meant "without" bad mouthing the magnums it may be because some people resent being told by people who should know better that the non-magnum calibers are inadequate for the uses they are put too. There are VERY few circumstances as a hunter in Ontario where a 30cal magnum is the better choice for hunting over a 30-06. There's nothing wrong with the magnums but they are not necessary for game around here... Unless you are talking polar bear where the 30 cal magnums are a bit light for the task anyway. If you are out West and have opportunities for very long range shots (and the ability to reliably make them) then by all means use a 300Win Mag or whatever but for a whitetail 120m away you are just adding noise, recoil and cost to the equation. My 2 cents.

Now if people would just admit that the magnum makes them feel like they are more macho or deadly or whatever it is that would be cool too. Just don't pretend that the 30-06 is not more than enough gun for almost all North American hunting. I use a 308 and I've never had a deer or moose laugh at me when I hit them...

Jeff
 
rhshooter said:
If you meant "without" bad mouthing the magnums it may be because some people resent being told by people who should know better that the non-magnum calibers are inadequate for the uses they are put too. There are VERY few circumstances as a hunter in Ontario where a 30cal magnum is the better choice for hunting over a 30-06. There's nothing wrong with the magnums but they are not necessary for game around here... Unless you are talking polar bear where the 30 cal magnums are a bit light for the task anyway. If you are out West and have opportunities for very long range shots (and the ability to reliably make them) then by all means use a 300Win Mag or whatever but for a whitetail 120m away you are just adding noise, recoil and cost to the equation. My 2 cents.

Now if people would just admit that the magnum makes them feel like they are more macho or deadly or whatever it is that would be cool too. Just don't pretend that the 30-06 is not more than enough gun for almost all North American hunting. I use a 308 and I've never had a deer or moose laugh at me when I hit them...

Jeff
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The moose I killed with .270 and 7 mil didn't ask for refunds either, but that doesn't change that whatever my ought six will do at 200, my .300s do a couple hundred yards farther out. Whether I, or you "need" that doesn't change anything. It does make it hard for me to justify reaching past 4 .300s to snag a 30-06 or .308 from my own rack though.
 
rhshooter said:
Now if people would just admit that the magnum makes them feel like they are more macho or deadly or whatever it is that would be cool too.

Jeff
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For big game hunitng in BC, I have used a .223, 260, .270,7RM, .30-30. 30-06, 300WM, 300WSM, 303 British, .338 WM, 375 H&H and .375 RUger...

Probably a few others I forgot about,too.

Magnums never made me feel "macho" or "deadly" but using different cartridges is fun...

People that whine about magnums probably just can't handle them. They should stick to cartridges with less horsepower. Both types of cartridges will kill game...
 
I owned an outfitting business years ago and used the 30-06 more than anything. I just shoot it better and can get follow up shoot faster with it. I like the 7 mm Rem Mag for longer shot but here in Quebec..this is not really a necessity for most situation. Just from memory..most hunter at that time choose the 300 Win mag, 7 MM Rem and 30-06 with very few .308 for moose. The 30-06 is all that is needed. ( I own a 300 and a 7mm also !!)
 
30-06

I have hunted with my 30-06 for 10 years now and have yet to loose an animal.

Two weeks ago I shot this 60 inch Blue Wildebeest as it walked away from me. The 180gr (not premium, 2740 fps) bullet entered just in front of the right rear leg travelled through the huge stomach and destroyed the lungs. It ran 40 metres and went down. My sons first hunt!

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DANCESWITHEMPTIES said:
Sorry been away with family matters. Now to the important stuff...
Granted neither one of these rifles is a long range wonder. And I'm not going back over the numbers as you have already covered that.
You just nailed it on the head why I said the the 7.62 is superior to the the 30-30: The spitzer bullet. That being said I'm not including the the Hornady cartridge as it over came the flat or round nose normally required in a tube magazine.
And for the record (not that anybody accused me of it). Did you notice I never used the words 'greatly' or 'vastly' in front of superior. The remark was made as some think the the 7.62 is a poor choice as a hunting round; and that is true if the wrong bullet is used. But when the correct bullet choice is made it will do anything the more commonly accepted 30-30 will do. And as a matter of opinion I think it may just do it a little better. I have never conducted controlled testing to prove this point though...:D:p
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Everything told, 7.62x39 is as useful as the 30-30 but not more so to any degree that matters in hunting terms. "vastly" or "greatly" are not words that anyone is ever gonna use when they describe the 7.62 commie because it's just not vast or great.

But hey - it's cool that you "feel" like it's better. That means something, to you at least. ;) After all, this is the internet, where having an opinion is just as good as knowing! :p
 
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Dogleg said:
The moose I killed with .270 and 7 mil didn't ask for refunds either, but that doesn't change that whatever my ought six will do at 200, my .300s do a couple hundred yards farther out. Whether I, or you "need" that doesn't change anything. It does make it hard for me to justify reaching past 4 .300s to snag a 30-06 or .308 from my own rack though.
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You must have a hell of a .300M when a couple hundred fps (maybe) will get you a couple hundred more yds over an 06!
 
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You must have a hell of a .300M when a couple hundred fps (maybe) will get you a couple hundred more yds over an 06!
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There's a pile of .300 loads that will give 3100 fps with 180s. My target load is a 190 at 3000 fps and its just idling. That's the Win Mag, the Weatherby is somewhat faster.
The classic load for a 30-06 is 2700 which is what my '06 does. When I add that up on my fingers it comes to 400 fps difference.:p
 
I bought my swedish mauser in 30-06 a year and a half or so ago from tradeEx. I wanted a wooden stock, in 30-06 (a cheap caliber so I could practice a lot: 20$ per box) and all of that without breaking the bank. Bought a nikon prostaff scope on special for it. Ready to hunt, everything came out to about 750$ (rifle, rings, bases, scope, sling, carry case, locks and 2 boxes of cheap bullets to practice + 1 box of premium e-tip winchester 180gr bullets to hunt with).

Saw my first moose this year. She was about 100 yards away. Shot her right in the bucket and she fell exactly where I shot her.

It did the job, for a reasonable price, at reasonable pain levels :dancingbanana:

Couldn't be happier.

Fish
 
I remember years back asking my ex wifes Father what he used to hunt Moose with back in his Timber Cruising days as a young man out East...

He said "just a good axe", and he wasn't kidding. :eek:

:D
 
Like others have said, If you can't kill a moose with a 30-06, you sure the hell won't kill them with a 375HH either. Lots of guys I have hunted with have shot moose with 30-30's at 0-150 yards and seem to kill them the same. A 30-06 is a hell of alot more gun than a 30-30. At moderate ranges I would have no quams pulling out even my 243 win. But I prefer my 450
 
Gatehouse said:
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Magnums never made me feel "macho" or "deadly" but using different cartridges is fun...

People that whine about magnums probably just can't handle them. They should stick to cartridges with less horsepower. Both types of cartridges will kill game...
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I agree about the fun of shooting lots of cartridges and I don't have anything against the magnums. In fact I have a 375 H&H right now that I enjoy a lot (sorry man, I don't want to start the 375 Ruger stuff on this thread). I just hate when I find out that one of the guys that I managed to introduce to shooting and hunting (not that easy living in the GTA) shows up with his first rifle being a .338 Win Mag that the guy at Bass Pro told him is the minimum ethical caliber for moose.

You are an experienced hunter and shooter. You can handle the big rounds and know your limits but many newer shooters don't and they are being sold what I believe is the wrong product for the job. Most of the guys I know who started out with an RUM or Win mag don't shoot anymore and I put a lot of the blame on the rifles they chose based on blatant marketing. They can't hit anything because of the flinch and they are scared of their rifles.

As for me, I don't mind them... I don't notice recoil all that much unless I'm shooting several boxes off the bench (comes from many years operating big demolition hammers and pneumatic drills) and never in the field. I put a limbsaver on every big rifle anyway. I just find I shoot better with a 308 than with a 300 magnum for less money in ammo. If you want to shoot gophers with a 577 TRex by all means go ahead! Just don't tell a beginner he should be too...:D

Jeff
 
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