30-06 or 308?
- Thread starter zeuce
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target at the moment might see the odd hunting trip down the road. 200-500 yards at most. I dont have the shooting skills or money to build a 1000 yard rig.
Id like to use the mdt lss chassis with detachable mags. they are supporting savage rifles more or should I just buy a remington. Is 06 worth building a rifle around or should I just go 308.
Id like to use the mdt lss chassis with detachable mags. they are supporting savage rifles more or should I just buy a remington. Is 06 worth building a rifle around or should I just go 308.
Long Action 30-06 magazines and such versus Short Action .308Win magazines and such are also to be considered.
Take a look around at the availability and pricing. I would imagine the costs are similar, but you never know.
The LSS chassis is great. I have one on my Remington 700 AAC-SD .308Win.
Take a look around at the availability and pricing. I would imagine the costs are similar, but you never know.
The LSS chassis is great. I have one on my Remington 700 AAC-SD .308Win.
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not to be a killjoy, but...the whole 08 vs 06 thing has been done to death. If you want a hunting slash target...06...if you want a target slash hunting 08.
If you feel the need to build one...well ...have at err. We are gunnutz after all. However, should you choose not to reinvent the mousetrap, check out the precision EE. At any one given time there are probably 2 dozen people who did the same thing you are proposing. Why not simply buy the rifle you propose at 70c on the buck, and probably get a bunch of load development out of it at the same time. Neither of these two calibers are going to shoot out the throat of a rifle like the overbore calibers.
Just my 5c worth
If you feel the need to build one...well ...have at err. We are gunnutz after all. However, should you choose not to reinvent the mousetrap, check out the precision EE. At any one given time there are probably 2 dozen people who did the same thing you are proposing. Why not simply buy the rifle you propose at 70c on the buck, and probably get a bunch of load development out of it at the same time. Neither of these two calibers are going to shoot out the throat of a rifle like the overbore calibers.
Just my 5c worth
Mumbles Marble Mouth
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Lower Mainland
30/06 vs 308 in accuracy. You will not notice a difference.
I have both and a 30.06 meets and exceeds everything a 308 can do. Any fame of .308 accuracy is in the 150gr bullet range but drops quickly when increasing bullet weight. 30.06 is nasty accurate up to and exceeding 200gr bullets.
I like my .308 becuase I can buy bulk loads for my m305. I like my 30.06 for hunting because I can load up some real weight for killing power and energy. I like my 300 mag for long range and precision shooting.
I like my .308 becuase I can buy bulk loads for my m305. I like my 30.06 for hunting because I can load up some real weight for killing power and energy. I like my 300 mag for long range and precision shooting.
Off the shoulder my 06 is more accurate because it's lighter so I can hold on target better
From a rest / bipod my 08 is more accurate because I have higher mag glass on and it's more stable because it's heavier
08 is easier to find factory match ammo for which if you're not reloading can be a big factor for target. If you reload, they use the same bullet so then with the higher capacity of the 06 case you have the of reloading hotter than a 08 can be loaded possibly giving you more distance.... But 200-500 yards neither will bready a sweat. I built a 08 rifle with parts from the EE and Amazon and was getting 1/2 MOA groups with it and was able to hit at 1,000 yards with it, needed to upgrade glass to be more reliable which turned it into a $1,000 rifle system
From a rest / bipod my 08 is more accurate because I have higher mag glass on and it's more stable because it's heavier
08 is easier to find factory match ammo for which if you're not reloading can be a big factor for target. If you reload, they use the same bullet so then with the higher capacity of the 06 case you have the of reloading hotter than a 08 can be loaded possibly giving you more distance.... But 200-500 yards neither will bready a sweat. I built a 08 rifle with parts from the EE and Amazon and was getting 1/2 MOA groups with it and was able to hit at 1,000 yards with it, needed to upgrade glass to be more reliable which turned it into a $1,000 rifle system
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I have several rifles chambered for both .308 and .30/06. My expensive long range target rifle is a .308, but if I had it to do again, I'd follow German Salazar's example and go .30/06, the only reason I didn't was due to the immediate availability of a short 700 action rather than a long one. Google The Rifleman's Journal, and after a bit of reading, particularly Accuracy Secrets of the .30/06 Parts 1-3, even if you aren't pulled into the realm of the .30/06, at least you'll understand the argument.
calgarycanada
CGN Regular
- Location
- Calgary, Canada
I vote for 308
Not sure why people think 308 can't handle heavy bullets. According to Bryan Litz 220 grain is ideal weight for 308 win. 'Experts' shooting heavies in 308 in competitions prove that to be true. I shoot 208 amax out of my 308, 1/2 moa easy. According to Shooter (ballistic calculator), 308 has 1000 ft lb of energy(lot of hunters will argue but most agree that to be enough with right bullets) upto 700 meters(in my current conditions), that's using my load with 178 grain target bullets, so your results may vary but still 500yards is not a problem for 308. But amax is considered to be decent for hunting, with 208 Amax, 1000 ft lb energy is available upto (over) 900 meters. So if you can shoot it accurately enough, deer sized animal is within kill range upto almost a kilometre using 308win.
Not sure why people think 308 can't handle heavy bullets. According to Bryan Litz 220 grain is ideal weight for 308 win. 'Experts' shooting heavies in 308 in competitions prove that to be true. I shoot 208 amax out of my 308, 1/2 moa easy. According to Shooter (ballistic calculator), 308 has 1000 ft lb of energy(lot of hunters will argue but most agree that to be enough with right bullets) upto 700 meters(in my current conditions), that's using my load with 178 grain target bullets, so your results may vary but still 500yards is not a problem for 308. But amax is considered to be decent for hunting, with 208 Amax, 1000 ft lb energy is available upto (over) 900 meters. So if you can shoot it accurately enough, deer sized animal is within kill range upto almost a kilometre using 308win.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
A bullet's appropriate weight/length is better determined by the rate of twist in the bore rather than by the cartridge it is intended for. With respect to the usefulness of the .308 as a long range big game cartridge, remaining velocity means much more than energy figures. There must be sufficient remaining velocity to cause the bullet to upset, provided there is sufficient velocity for expansion to occur, there will be sufficient momentum to ensure adequate penetration. In the Mag-Pul long range rifle video, mention is made of shooting through a pig carcass at a range of 1 mile with a .308. The bullet weighed 200 grs, with a remaining velocity of 800 fps, and while the viewer is left with the idea that a .308 at a mile is synonymous with a .45 at the muzzle, I know darn well that bullet penciled through without any upset at all, so the viability of the .308/200 vs .45/200 @ 800 comparison is, to my way of thinking, questionable. I've done some very credible long range shooting with heavy bullets in my .308, maybe this winter I'll have the opportunity to try a mile.
For the average shooter it really makes little difference, both are accurate out to a minimum of 600 yards and very few hunters I have ever met practise enough to be competent shots past 300 yards. For those that reload, they both use the same bullets! They both use .308" diameter bullets.
When I was contemplating a long distance rifle, my research was showing that the case capacity of the .308 was a little shy for the loads I wanted to use.
I went with the 30-06, and don't regret it. I managed a half inch group at 300 yards using H4831 and 185 Bergers in a Savage 111. It also shot around 8 inches at 1100 yards. Not bad I figure for a hunting barrel.
The only difference I found is if you are trying to find a heavy barreled rifle already built, you don't have that many to chose from in the 06. (I never found any)
I went with the 30-06, and don't regret it. I managed a half inch group at 300 yards using H4831 and 185 Bergers in a Savage 111. It also shot around 8 inches at 1100 yards. Not bad I figure for a hunting barrel.
The only difference I found is if you are trying to find a heavy barreled rifle already built, you don't have that many to chose from in the 06. (I never found any)
Mystic Precision
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Summerland, BC
If you are sure you want to use this stock? I am really really sure???? Then go 308
There are no 30-06 compatible mags.
Simple.
Jerry
