30-06 vs 6.5-55

i ve no dog in the fight.

what i know is the Svalbarg or Spitzberg where you need a rifle (you can rent one there) and a permit from the governor the 30-06 is now the reference.

the cruising companies too are using Ruger stainless synthetic with open sights in 30-06 ....

the problem there is just the polar bear.

remember Norway is one of the creation fatherland of the 6.5x55 ....
 
porpoise said:
isnt it "odd 6" in canada? im not talking about whats proper im talking about what everybody calls it
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"Ought", "Aught", "Ot", doesn't matter... they all sound the same. It's not "odd" or "thirty-oh-six" as I've heard it said. When you write it you do so .30-06 (despite the fact that it's parent, the .30-03, is pronounced "thirty-oh-three") but when it's spoken "ought". It's an oral tradition, don't sweat the spelling. There are very few rules.
 
BigUglyMan said:
"Ought", "Aught", "Ot", doesn't matter... they all sound the same. It's not "odd" or "thirty-oh-six" as I've heard it said. When you write it you do so .30-06 (despite the fact that it's parent, the .30-03, is pronounced "thirty-oh-three") but when it's spoken "ought". It's an oral tradition, don't sweat the spelling. There are very few rules.
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Now your in trouble! See below...

rookie wildcat said:
As a matter of fact, I DO have a good deal of trouble with Kamlooky's posts. I just don't read them. Same as dirt mcgirt. And to use the word "ought" would be severely incorrect since "ought" implies an obligation to perform a task or duty and was never used to indicate a zero or null value.
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They are both obsolete calibers that are over 100 years old ...according to some gun rags these days!I have a 6.5 X 55 and have had a few 06's as well they are both decent calibers with a long track record of successful hunts . Depending on how you hunt the 3006 has bigger chunks of lead available, but a decent quality 140 gr. 6.5 should do everything you want and more for most moose and bear. I think Lapua has a 158 grain 6.5 which I have seen available from at least one place in Canada . I don't recall the specifics of it but if it is one of their big solids it should knock down just about anything in North America with the right shot placement (at shorter ranges) .
 
If the rifles types I currently have were available in 6.5x55 and the ammo more common in shop I'd be perfectly happy to have only rifles of that cartridge in my gunsafe.
 
Pretty sure most people are going to fall on the side of the 30-06. Logically i agree. The 30-06 is much more versatile.

I own both, my swed is a nice conversion of a military Gustav. Presently it has very little bluing and i use it as a "brother in law gun". By that i mean, a loaner gun to someone who will not take care of a fine firearm. For this purpose, the Swed excels. It also kills all out of proportion for caliber. If one reloads, the Swed can be deadly; however, factory ammo is lawyer powered down to 30-30 level.

Between the two, especially if one does not reload and must buy factory ammo the 30-06 is the obvious choice. Cheap 30-06 ammo is available everywhere and is at least comparable to premium hand loads for a Swed. With premium hand loads at moderate ranges the Swed is barely ethical for Moose.

I am sure people will bring up Bell's use of the 6.5 bore and 7 mauser for Elephant. That was in a bygone era. Bell today would be shoot as a poacher, as he simply body shot Elephant and located them days later by smell to remove ivory. Today we hold ourselves and the game we pursue at a higher standard.
 
In Sweden, the only 6.5X55 bullet weight suitable for big game hunting (by law) is a 160 grainer. And still, if you can't prove you have the announced muzzle velocity, you're simply not allowed to use the gun. You need a minimum of 1992 f-# @ 100 meters to use a 6.5X55.

By today, there is much more "modern' hunting calibers used there than any 6.5X55, and they seem to prefer the '06 and the various .30 Magnums. A lot of 9.3X62, very few 9.3X57 left, and a bunch of 308 and 358 Norma and, of course, the .375H&H.

Seen the size of Canada and the amount of moose taken here in a year, I really doubt that the whole Scandinavia comes even to the quarter of the number taken here, and there is a lot still taken with the .303 Brit...

Rules of Sweden;

Permitted firearms and ammunition

For hunting moose, red deer and bear rifles must be used, no shotguns. The ammunition requirements are the following. Bullets that weigh at least 154 grains (10 grams) are required to have an impact energy of at least 2.000 joules at 100 metres from the gun. Bullets that weigh between 139-154 grains (9 and 10 grams ) must have an impact energy of at least 2.700 joules 100 metres from the barrel

The same requirements apply for hunting fallow deer and wild boar. But for these kinds of game it is also allowed to use shotguns loaded with slug-ammmunition. For hunting this way, a single-barrel shotgun is obligatory.
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Rules of Norway

For moose, red deer, follow deer, wild reindeer,
wild boar, wild sheep, musk ox, wolf and bear,
ammunition with expanding bullets weighing a
minimum 9 grams is required.
a) ammunition whose bullets weigh between 9
and 10 grams (139 and 154 grains) must have
an impact energy of at least 2700 joules (275
kg/m) at a range of 100 metres, E100.
b) ammunition whose bullets weigh more than
10 grams (154 grains or more) must have an
impact energy of at least 2200 joules (225
kg/m) at a range of 100 metres, E100.
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Baribal,

in Sweden 30-06 is the one now with 9,3x62 at least in two hunting areas where we have been in the past , in Norway the 308 is hitting the fan.

so i concur your writing.
 
There are several names for the number 0 in English, and concomitant names for the decades where the tens column contains the number 0. Several names for the number 0 include "zero", "cipher", "naught", "nought", "love", "duck", "nil", "zilch", "zip", (the letter) "o" (often spelled "oh"), "aught", and "ought". There are various subtleties of usage amongst them all.
 
Baribal said:
By today, there is much more "modern' hunting
Seen the size of Canada and the amount of moose taken here in a year, I really doubt that the whole Scandinavia comes even to the quarter of the number taken here, and there is a lot still taken with the .303 Brit...
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I don't know the number of Moose hunted in Canada but I found this interesting.

No other country has more Moose per square kilometer than Sweden. Although hundreds of thousands of Moose inhabit Sweden they can still be difficult to see in the wild.
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Population in Sweden: Summer population is estimated to be 300,000–400,000 moose. Around 100,000 are hunted each autumn.
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http://www.wildsweden.com/about/the-wild-animals/
 
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I own rifles in both 6.5x55 and the 06. Started deer hunting with an 06 a long time ago and have used many different cartridges for various critters. I've been thinking lately that the 06 case necked down to 6.5 would be a great combination.
 
john.b said:
There are several names for the number 0 in English, and concomitant names for the decades where the tens column contains the number 0. Several names for the number 0 include "zero", "cipher", "naught", "nought", "love", "duck", "nil", "zilch", "zip", (the letter) "o" (often spelled "oh"), "aught", and "ought". There are various subtleties of usage amongst them all.
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Puts mail bag down beside the bar, sits next to Norm, while Sam pours him a beer.... :p

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Calum said:
I don't know the number of Moose hunted in Canada but I found this interesting.





http://www.wildsweden.com/about/the-wild-animals/
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The estimated amount of moose in Canada is around 1 million, the low counts are around 830 000 (1990).
The Swedes are smart forest and ressources users, and they have very good success at it. A large part of the harvested moose meat is sold to restaurants and fine meat markets throughout Europe and they are one of the very few country capable of doing so.
 
hoytcanon said:
No you are not right... If I wanted to say "ought" or "aught" I would have... But rather I took liberties with an internet conjunction that was as simple as it was phonetic... Can't fathom how that was difficult to understand... I guess you can't make "head nor tails" of Kamlooky's posts... "A-W-T 6" , seems pretty straight forward in a thread about the .30/06 and 6.5...

"Old School" pronunciation? I have never heard anyone say; "thirty-"zero" six" whether they were 80 years old or 8 years old...
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I did not mistake what you meant by AWT, I knew that I don't know it. So, what does AWT mean in the context of a thread about the .30-06 and the 6.5, and does it mean something else in other contexts within the wider discussion of guns?
 
dead meat said:
I own rifles in both 6.5x55 and the 06. Started deer hunting with an 06 a long time ago and have used many different cartridges for various critters. I've been thinking lately that the 06 case necked down to 6.5 would be a great combination.
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Buy a .270 Win, your there.

Move it up a knotch, buy a .280
 
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