30/06 With rcbs and lee equipment

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#1 in the rcbs catalog it states not to use die set #14801 group a for bolt action rifles .
#2 lee auto prime does not recomend repriming with federal primers .Why not
any and all replys are thanked in advance . PS im new to reloading so all help and knowledge is grateful .
 
As legend has it...... Lee and federal had a falling out, so from then all lee equipment comes with free fed bashing literature included free of charge. Or it could be that fed primers are a bit 'softer' than winnies or CCI......

Some RCBS dies are made for only semi-auto or lever gun actions. That said, you probably shouldn't have a problem using them in a bolt gun...... As Lon as you have a largish chamber.......

Cheers!
 
big-gun said:
free beer limited quantities (A 24 left over from fishing trip) saskatoon area only . i will not ship .
#1 in the rcbs catalog it states not to use die set #14801 group a for bolt action rifles .
#2 lee auto prime does not recomend repriming with federal primers .Why not
any and all replys are thanked in advance . PS im new to reloading so all help and knowledge is grateful .
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#1. I think these dies are small base dies, which are made for semi's and pumps. IF this is the case, then you are actually fine to use them for bolt action rifles, you will just get less reloads out of your brass, as the brass is worked more when being resized. I use small base dies in my .308 win for all my reloads because I reload for my own .308's, as well as for my brother's and father's rifles and I need my handloads to work reliably everyone's rifles. And they do.

#2. I think Lee is out to lunch on this one. I use all brands of primers.
 
notsorichguy said:
Some RCBS dies are made for only semi-auto or lever gun actions. That said, you probably shouldn't have a problem using them in a bolt gun...... As Lon as you have a largish chamber.......

Cheers!
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What?

The dies refrered to as small base dies, actually make the brass smaller, not larger. Any bolt gun can use small base dies, but the majority don't need to, it just means the brass will be worked more for each firing/reloading cycle.

They were designed to make chambering easier with rifles that have little or no camming power, such as lever guns, pump guns, and semis.
 
The Federal/Lee thing, as I remember it, Lee came out with their Auto-prime system, Federal said not to use it with their primers. Lee then said don't use Federal primers with our product.
Each indicating there was something wrong with the others product.
I've used Federal primers in my Lee auto prime, no issues.
 
Teh federal/Lee thing is no big deal. The Federal primer box makes it hard to load the Lee autoprime tray. The Federal primers sometimes flip over in the mouth of the tray and you can jam a sideways primer into the pocket theoretically blowing it.

I am just careful.
 
#### Lee wrote in Modern Reloading that Federal primers were softer and more sensitive to sympathetic detonation. Those were the reasons that they should not be used with the Lee Auto Prime. Lee does not have the same restriction with any of their single, one primer at a time, priming tools. Just when using tubes or feed trays. This is also explained in Dean Grennel's "The ABC's of Reloading" and again in Mic MacPherson's "Metallic Cartridge Reloading". I don't think it was because of a falling out. That being said, I have used federal primers without incident.
 
I somehow doubt that the Federal ammunition factory and any other ammunition manufacturer that might use federal primers uses priming equipment that is somehow "more gentle" than a hand-held Lee autoprime. And I also doubt that any manufacturer's equipment would not be able to utilize any primer on the market should the need arise.

I fail to see much difference between the autoprime and any other hand-held priming tool that does not carry a warning about Federal primers.

Just an observation......
 
ok so as i understand .it is safe to use the die set .but my brass lifespan
will be shortened . and the lee autoprime will not put an end to my reload career. many thanks to those who responded
 
John Y Cannuck said:
What?

The dies refrered to as small base dies, actually make the brass smaller, not larger. Any bolt gun can use small base dies, but the majority don't need to, it just means the brass will be worked more for each firing/reloading cycle.

They were designed to make chambering easier with rifles that have little or no camming power, such as lever guns, pump guns, and semis.
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I guess I was mis-informed then.....

I always assumed small-base dies were for bolt guns as they can have 'tighter' chambers than semi's and pumps..... The nature of their actions so to speak....

Learn something new every day I guess......
 
Just noticed the Lee site has a 'new' hand prime XR with a square tray that fits federal primer trays (actually shows a federal primer box).
 
*MALICE* said:
Just noticed the Lee site has a 'new' hand prime XR with a square tray that fits federal primer trays (actually shows a federal primer box).
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See? Now that they upgraded that dangerous "round" tray to a square one, it is apparently safe to use Lee equipment with Federal primers! Who says the gun industry does not listen to it's customers......;)
 
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