30-30 bolt rifle load

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I have recently come across a Savage 99 rotary mag 30-30. The mech is a lot more robust than a Winnie 94 and I was hoping to find 30-30 loads for a bolt action rifle. Anyone out there have anything? I have the current Lee and Sierra manual and no mention of a bolt rifle load but I have seen them in other manuals
A source?
 
Work up a load until you get pressure signs. You might be surprised to see that you can't hot rod the cartridge in a strong action much beyond what you can in a traditional lever gun. Perhaps the real advantage of the Savage 99 is not so much that you can hotrod the cartridge but that you can use spitzer bullets to extend range.

Ken Waters tested the .30/30 extensively with lever action rifles, a pair of 20" M-94s, one early production one modern, a 26" M-66 Winchester, a M-340 18.5" bolt action Savage, and with a Winchester M-54 bolt gun with a 24" barrel. Best accuracy universally with less than maximum loads, and none of the loads were marked for use in the bolt guns only, although in the text he recommends that loads that were worked up with the M-54 should be reduced 1-1.5 grs for a modern M-94 and 2-2.5 grs for an early production M-94, referring to pre and post 64 Winchesters. Maximum loads are of no use if they won't group in some predictable fashion.

Work up loads for your 99, but don't attempt to make a .308 out of your .30/30. Don't assume you can simply increase the maximum load in your loading manual by a couple of grains, start with the published starting load for which ever powder you choose to use, and work up paying attention to the normal pressure signs.
 
As you have likely noticed, your 99 isn't a bolt action. Same loads in it as in a Win 94. It still doesn't have the camming action or strength of a bolt action.
Like Boomer says, it's major advantage is allowing spitzer bullets.
A Savage 340 in .30-30, if you can find one, can be astoundingly accurate though.
 
The same action can take a 308 180gr bullet to full load which my 99c has done so I should have nothing to worry about long as I dont push it too far. However the snag is the spire points or pretty much anything longer that a round nose will not eject unfired rounds. Only way to get them out is almost just to shoot them. They can be fiddled out if you are patient but it looks like the 99 action is good for regular 30-30 ammo. Has to be pretty much 2.55in o/a and that might push the pointy boolits too deep into the case.Looks like there may be feed issues too. A bolt would have been better so I think the 30-30 is going in the EE. My 3rd 30-30 and maybe my last unless I find something cheap and interesting. Valid points from all of you and thanks for that. Wrong action for the planned experiment. Still have my new 250 Savage 99 featherweight to play with. Thanks everybody for the feedback.
 
I just bought a 340 and I love it. I plan to load spitzers soon as the mag is plenty long for that. I am gonna get one in .222 rem soon also. Its way more accurate than I thought it was gonna be. And thats just with factory ammo. You can usually get a good one for 250 and a nice one for 300 on the EE.
 
I used several Savage 340's over the years and still have one. You have to pick and choose pointed bullets that will fit for over all length. The best 150g bullet I found was the Winchester pointed soft point power point, I am sill using them. I also used a lot of Remington 125g pointed soft points. Best accuracy with 150g bullets was 2450 and 125g bullets at 2650fps.
 
I have to wait until I go down south soon to stock up on more components. (powder and primers are a beotch to ship up here to Yellowknife). The 340 is just ugly enough for me to actually enjoy takin it out in the bush and not worry about a couple of dings.
 
So how old is a Savage 99 (not 340) in .30-30? Do you really want to try to hot load this rifle?
I would suggest that you load it according to the manuals as set up for the M94, and enhance performance with some pointed bullets rather than speed.
 
"Work up a load until you see pressure signs." Uh, if you don't have the proper lab equipment, by the time you "see" pressure signs, you will be skating about well beyond the case's design pressure limits, and perhaps even beyond the rifle's design limits. That's why they have reloading manuals.

I just gotta find that gunwriter's article wherein he conned White's lab into letting him test a bunch of loads that were just "showing" pressure signs. You know, flattened primers, or flowing firing pin marks, or difficult extraction, or the favorite of the techies, expansion at the base of the cartridge head of more than .00x inches beyond once fired, or whichever witchcraft suits your beliefs. He tried lots of different hot loads, using different rifles and different "indicators", and then Whites Lab pressure tested his loads. Yikes.

And, yup, like you, gentle reader, he had, over the years, gotten away with thousands of rounds using such visual or tactile 'indictors' of excess pressure, always skirting just slightly - a tenth or two below those loads that exhibitted the dread 'indicators'. But, he don't do that anymore. Not after he saw what the pressure lab results were of his supposedly safe loads.

Darned if I can recall which writer, or even which rag, but I do know he was a writer whom I trusted, and who made a lot of sense in a lot of other articles I had read, so I don't think he made s##t up. I know that after I read that, I stick to the book. Now, sometimes I'll admit I cheat and use an old book, which I know does not reflect the pressure behavior of recent manufacture of the nominally same powder, but hey, a favorite load is a favorite load. But all favorite loads can now be found in a reputable manual!
 
here is a question ,

are all savage 99 actions created equal ?

meaning can a action made in the 1920's be equal in strength to a action made in the 1980's ?

are they made from the same steel , same thickness , and heat treated the same ?

anyone ever see a '99 action come apart from over loading ?

i haven't ( mind you i haven't looked that hard either ) .

but before anyone starts cranking up the pressure on a low pressure round like the 30-30 , it might be wise to look both ways before crossing that street .

i'd even go as far as having the action magnafluxed just to make sure no stress fractures have formed since it was built .
 
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