canadaman30
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X2 there's your answer.
30/30 vs 243
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X2 there's your answer.
I'm gonna toss some fuel on the fire here. Have you thought of 308? You can get the remmy managed recoil loads, which have next to no recoil, and as she gets a little older/more used to shooting, she can go to full-house loads. Then she can go for any NA game. You can probably pick up an Edge (or whatever it's called now) or Rem 770 for almost the same price as an H&R. Just have her feed the rounds single shot. Another very nice caliber is 7mm-08.
just to add about 6,5x55 or the "new" version the 260 rem.
i have guided young fellows 12 to 14 and they shoot very well both and there is more versality into a 6,5 than a .243 even if both will work perfectly ill prefer a swedish one ....
i have guided young fellows 12 to 14 and they shoot very well both and there is more versality into a 6,5 than a .243 even if both will work perfectly ill prefer a swedish one ....
Rocket Surgery
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Just remember, whatever you start her out on, it will stick with her for life. If you get some oddball caliber in a rolling block action, that's what she'll learn on and be comfortable with.
I learned how to shoot an Enfield #7 in Cadets, along with many friends, and the lessons we learned over the years (we had an indoor range) made us really good shots. Heck, we must have gone shooting for 4+ hours twice a month for 3 years from ages 12-15. Our captain even spent time coaching us on how to shoot properly. We now feel 100% comfortable with a heavy, bolt action, detachable mag rifle.
I'd recommend some form of youth rifle in 243, with good iron sights, and bolt action. Why bother with a single shot? You'll be buying some form of repeater eventually.
Haha if it were my kid, I'd get the best of all worlds, a Savage scout in 7.62x39. That gives her a light short rifle, adjustable trigger, with irons, DM, and a scope. The rifle will last her entire life, and the endless surplus you can train her on will make for long days at the range.
I learned how to shoot an Enfield #7 in Cadets, along with many friends, and the lessons we learned over the years (we had an indoor range) made us really good shots. Heck, we must have gone shooting for 4+ hours twice a month for 3 years from ages 12-15. Our captain even spent time coaching us on how to shoot properly. We now feel 100% comfortable with a heavy, bolt action, detachable mag rifle.
I'd recommend some form of youth rifle in 243, with good iron sights, and bolt action. Why bother with a single shot? You'll be buying some form of repeater eventually.
Haha if it were my kid, I'd get the best of all worlds, a Savage scout in 7.62x39. That gives her a light short rifle, adjustable trigger, with irons, DM, and a scope. The rifle will last her entire life, and the endless surplus you can train her on will make for long days at the range.
"Why bother with a single shot? You'll be buying some form of repeater eventually."
Depends whether you progress or regress. As a hunter moving towards one shot is accepting the challenge. Somehwere out there there is someone showing their kid how to shoot and hunt with a long bow, so unless you like running footraces on a bicycle, at some point you have to let go of the safety blanket. Where hunting is concerned I think eventually people get some kind of single shot. Ruger #1, Blackpowder, Archery, Xbow, spear, etc...
Shooting is another mater. Sure you can stick with single shots and find challenge for ever, but learning aspects of shooting that involve multiple shots is also a challenge, and makes you a better rounded shooter.
In theory if one observes the 4 rules, there shouldn't be a safety difference, but kids are not always reliable. They should be. I have 3, 13 and younger, and very accomplished, but I am occasionally taken by something they will not know. And they vary as to their maturity. When I was 13 I was leading rock + ice climbs, occasionally soloing, and every day rode across Toronto to school. I don't think there is a single kid at my kid's school who rides to school, though most live within a few blocks. So how much they should be challenged is an open question.
Depends whether you progress or regress. As a hunter moving towards one shot is accepting the challenge. Somehwere out there there is someone showing their kid how to shoot and hunt with a long bow, so unless you like running footraces on a bicycle, at some point you have to let go of the safety blanket. Where hunting is concerned I think eventually people get some kind of single shot. Ruger #1, Blackpowder, Archery, Xbow, spear, etc...
Shooting is another mater. Sure you can stick with single shots and find challenge for ever, but learning aspects of shooting that involve multiple shots is also a challenge, and makes you a better rounded shooter.
In theory if one observes the 4 rules, there shouldn't be a safety difference, but kids are not always reliable. They should be. I have 3, 13 and younger, and very accomplished, but I am occasionally taken by something they will not know. And they vary as to their maturity. When I was 13 I was leading rock + ice climbs, occasionally soloing, and every day rode across Toronto to school. I don't think there is a single kid at my kid's school who rides to school, though most live within a few blocks. So how much they should be challenged is an open question.
Rocket Surgery
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That was actually a well thought out response Pepperpopper! Like I mentioned earlier, I learned on the #7 Enfield, which is a single shot .22lr bolt. Do keep in mind you can take the magazine away, and make any bolt a single shot rifle. When I was 12 years old, the captain taught me these basic shooting rules:
#1, Always shoot prone unless you can't.
#2, Support the rifle with your bones, not your muscles.
#3, Grip the rifle, so as not to flinch. Squeeze your hand and not your finger.
#4, During aim, breathe out a little and hold your breath. Don't let your heart start pounding.
We then proceeded to learn ballistics, wind, ammo quality, etc. It got to the point where kids 13 years old were shooting 90-95% @ 60 feet with .22lr #7's and Anshcutz rifles. After this they graduated us to #4 Enfields and FN FAL's shooting 200-300yards.
The sad part is that those days are over, and this was only the mid 1990's. I believe cadets all just shoot daisy air rifles. Somewhere earlier I read in Britain they don't want cadets using Enfields for ceremonial parades now?
Most of my friends haven't reached 30, none are criminals, and all own guns. Every one of them can make raggy holes, even the ones that barely practice. A lot of this is because they were given something to do when they were kids. A lot of the cadets came from broken or dysfunctional homes, and stayed out of trouble because they were always shooting or learning survival skills.
I think what I'm trying to say here is that kids should be shooting, but should also learn properly. No scoped m305's or red dot AR15's haha.
#1, Always shoot prone unless you can't.
#2, Support the rifle with your bones, not your muscles.
#3, Grip the rifle, so as not to flinch. Squeeze your hand and not your finger.
#4, During aim, breathe out a little and hold your breath. Don't let your heart start pounding.
We then proceeded to learn ballistics, wind, ammo quality, etc. It got to the point where kids 13 years old were shooting 90-95% @ 60 feet with .22lr #7's and Anshcutz rifles. After this they graduated us to #4 Enfields and FN FAL's shooting 200-300yards.
The sad part is that those days are over, and this was only the mid 1990's. I believe cadets all just shoot daisy air rifles. Somewhere earlier I read in Britain they don't want cadets using Enfields for ceremonial parades now?
Most of my friends haven't reached 30, none are criminals, and all own guns. Every one of them can make raggy holes, even the ones that barely practice. A lot of this is because they were given something to do when they were kids. A lot of the cadets came from broken or dysfunctional homes, and stayed out of trouble because they were always shooting or learning survival skills.
I think what I'm trying to say here is that kids should be shooting, but should also learn properly. No scoped m305's or red dot AR15's haha.
RS, sounds like you were brought up right!. I always suspect I was the last person to get a cup from the Lieutenant-Govenor for a school shooting, at least in Toronto. We had a militia where we drilled with Lee Enfields, and a shooting team where we used Anschuts single shot .22s. I was the last guy to win our school shooting cup, and they were so behind the process that they forgot to engrave my name on the main trophy. But I still got the presentation cup from the then LG, Pauline McGibbon. It's too bad that kind of thing came to an end, though it is kinda fun to have been there when it happened.
