You're confusing various things. A stick of dynamite laying on the ground will do very little, put it in a borehole and it'll do a lot.
The small powder charge is the reason the 44RM will never be able to shoot into Space.
30-30 vs 44 mag Lever action rifle
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You're confusing various things. A stick of dynamite laying on the ground will do very little, put it in a borehole and it'll do a lot.
The small powder charge is the reason the 44RM will never be able to shoot into Space.
Here is the last thread about the same topic
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2372328-44m-or-30-30
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2372328-44m-or-30-30
I have never taken a deer or moose with a 30-30 or a 44.
But I have seen it done. My grandfather took 52 moose with his 30-30 rifle. He was a good shot.
A guy in our deer camp carried the little Ruger 44 carbine. Even with hollow points, the bullet was a pass-thru on deer. A big exit hole. Usually DRT.
here in southern Ontario, 100 yards is a long shot. My longest deer and moose were about 100 yards. Most were 50 or less. I would be very comfortable with either caliber.
But I have seen it done. My grandfather took 52 moose with his 30-30 rifle. He was a good shot.
A guy in our deer camp carried the little Ruger 44 carbine. Even with hollow points, the bullet was a pass-thru on deer. A big exit hole. Usually DRT.
here in southern Ontario, 100 yards is a long shot. My longest deer and moose were about 100 yards. Most were 50 or less. I would be very comfortable with either caliber.
Why? One thing I love about the 44 mag over the 30/30 is the Mag Capacity. And from what I heard it's more effective within 100 yards against let's say a charging grizzly...
The 30/30 seems to be more accurate though and wins past 150 yards...
Ardent
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Because speed matters, it’s why every rifle in any kind of service has settled in the 2400-3000fps range. Trajectory, range, improved terminal ballistics, all the obvious stuff.
I saw a lot of animals shot in my job, with a lot of things. If I had to summarize what I saw, it’s that speed matters more than you think. The .30-30 is just an all around more useful rifle and tool than a .44 carbine is. If you like the .44, all the more power to you enjoy. I’m into all sorts of curiosities myself, just not overly slow rifles.
The cutoff for me is the .30-30 and .375 Winchester for speed, for general hunting tools.
I saw a lot of animals shot in my job, with a lot of things. If I had to summarize what I saw, it’s that speed matters more than you think. The .30-30 is just an all around more useful rifle and tool than a .44 carbine is. If you like the .44, all the more power to you enjoy. I’m into all sorts of curiosities myself, just not overly slow rifles.
The cutoff for me is the .30-30 and .375 Winchester for speed, for general hunting tools.
So is this a bear defence rifle or a hunting rifle?
A win 94 in 3030 would be what I want over a 44 mag. I'd also rather a 3030 over 44 for hunting any size game.
a 150gr bullet @2400fps has 50% more energy and 1000fps over a 300gr bullet @1400fps.
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Simple, 30-30.
.30-30 Winchester/150gr. bullets@2400f/s. Anytime. Speed and range. The .30WCF is a pretty good cartridge on deer size animals up to 200 yards - and maybe a bit more.
Ardent
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.30-30 with a Partition or Monoflex, for sure. The .44 is neat, and anything that penetrates will kill including 80 ft-lb arrows and well at that. But there’s a reason we moved towards rifles from BP velocities over the last century and a quarter. A pistol cal carbine, even a heavy one like a .480 Ruger, ultimately works the way shotgun slugs do. Rifle ballistics have taken over for a good reason in my opinion.
People try and make it black and white, and some may feel I’m trying to say the .44 et al is ‘bad’. It’s not, it’s just not going to equal a rifle chambering all factors considered.
Ardent
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I’m always taking the rifle when it’s offered, but the real question in my opinion is over a wide range spread not a fixed point close up. All around, real world versatility.
Or against a Model 70 Featherweight .270 or .308 the same weight as the .44… we’re not limited to the choice of .44 of .30-30.
Or against a Model 70 Featherweight .270 or .308 the same weight as the .44… we’re not limited to the choice of .44 of .30-30.
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I agree on that for 200 meter steel shooting. I used my Ruger 10" Super Blackhawk on round gongs in sizes from 12" down to 4" and found it to be almost as accurate as my Blackhawk in .41 mag I had back then. I had a Rem 788 in .44 mag that worked perfect for me on those gongs for off-hand events at the annual meat shoots.
As for hunting game animals though, I've always taken 'em at ranges at around 100 yds and less. Time of flight for the .44 mag is rather long compared to loads like 30-06, 7mm etc.
Stalking and still hunting is my way for critters due to the terrain I hunt in.
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I have a trapper 30-30
My buddy has a trapper 44 mag
We were in the gravel pit and gongs were set up at 60 yards
I had 150grn factory ammo, he had 240 grn factory ammoine holds
I thought his would hit harder at 60 yards, but the dents I made in the steel plates were way bigger than his.
Mine holds 5 his holds 9 in the tubes.
Performance wise, I'm happy with my 30-30 and wouldn't trade it for a 44mag
My buddy has a trapper 44 mag
We were in the gravel pit and gongs were set up at 60 yards
I had 150grn factory ammo, he had 240 grn factory ammoine holds
I thought his would hit harder at 60 yards, but the dents I made in the steel plates were way bigger than his.
Mine holds 5 his holds 9 in the tubes.
Performance wise, I'm happy with my 30-30 and wouldn't trade it for a 44mag
