30-30 Win. Maximum Load

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Hi all,
This is not yet a Project but I am wondering if a 30-30 Winchester Casing with a 150 Grain Bullet could be loaded to achive over 2800 Fps.

Why do I ask this question !

I own a Mauser 66 Rifle in 9.3*64 Brenneke. There are different caliber exchange Barrels available for all Mauser 66 Rifles but not for a Mauser 66 in 9.3*64 the Brenneke because almost no other Shell fits the Bolthead. Exceptions are the 7.5 Swiss Ordnance Casing and also the 30-30 Winchester casing.

My thinking is if the 30-30 Shell could be loaded up to almost 30-06 performance then it may be worth to have an exchange Barrel made, (they are not cheap). Having a 30 cal. Cartridge would also allow using .22Cal. Bullets inside 30 Cal. Sabots.

What do you think ?

Cheers
 
30-30 Ackley Improved at Model 94 pressures gives an extra 200 FPS (2600) with 150 grain bullets.
In a bolt action, you could get away with a little more pressure, but I would be careful.
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I think a good feature of the levergun is its fast action. A hot load might make for a bit stickier feeling extraction and make things feel less slick. It doesn't have the camming action of a bolt gun.
 
.22 bullets in a .30 cal sabot - Remington, I think used to make those - for 30-06 ammo, I think. Never heard a single good thing about them from anyone who actually fired some into groups on a target. Would be happy to hear otherwise from those who had better experience with them. Other than the Remington factory loads, I did not know the sabots were available to hand loaders??
 
Potashminer said:
.22 bullets in a .30 cal sabot - Remington, I think used to make those - for 30-06 ammo, I think. Never heard a single good thing about them from anyone who actually fired some into groups on a target. Would be happy to hear otherwise from those who had better experience with them. Other than the Remington factory loads, I did not know the sabots were available to hand loaders??
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Remington called the accelerators, they loaded them in 30-30, 308 and 30-06. Over 4000 fps in 30-06. they were good for coyotes, about as accurate as the rifle was normally.
 
I'd say your project is impractical at best, and perhaps dangerous. Enjoy your 9.3x64 as is, or perhaps find a used 7.5mm Swiss barrel. That's a commercial available cartridge that is already able to do what you want. There is no safe way to make a .30-30 into a .30-06 performance rifle. Pressure would be extreme. You'd be spending a lot of money to make something not very useful.
 
If you wont more get a bigger gun.
Why do guys won't to pull a 45 foot trailer with a half ton truck. Know the limit play with in it!
 
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Longwalker said:
I'd say your project is impractical at best, and perhaps dangerous. Enjoy your 9.3x64 as is, or perhaps find a used 7.5mm Swiss barrel. That's a commercial available cartridge that is already able to do what you want. There is no safe way to make a .30-30 into a .30-06 performance rifle. Pressure would be extreme. You'd be spending a lot of money to make something not very useful.
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While a 7.5 SO Barrel is available, it is ruled out for this project.
Thanks

Cheers
 
Do not use this data! But IF the brass was able to handle 60,000psi like a 30-06, and the rifle was strong enough action...in theory it could do this :

Code: 
Cartridge          : .30-30 WCF
Bullet             : .308, 150, Hornady RN 3035
Useable Case Capaci: 36.582 grain H2O = 2.375 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.550 inch = 64.77 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 104 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

4 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon CFE223                     103.1     38.7     2.51    2634    96.9    60000    5894   1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 748                     101.3     36.8     2.38    2632    98.7    60000    5683   1.118  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon BL-C2                      103.8     38.2     2.48    2627    97.8    60000    5841   1.125  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant AR-Comp                    104.0     33.9     2.20    2602   100.0    57731    4977   1.130  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H322                       102.0     33.4     2.16    2595    99.9    60000    5278   1.128  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H335                        96.1     35.4     2.29    2595    99.5    60000    5436   1.132  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 8208xbr                        103.7     35.0     2.27    2570    97.8    60000    5445   1.139  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4895                      104.0     35.1     2.27    2569    96.8    57494    5665   1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant RL10x                       99.1     31.5     2.04    2565   100.0    60000    4933   1.147  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot TAC                        102.6     37.3     2.42    2542    93.2    60000    5538   1.147  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot X-Terminator               100.3     36.1     2.34    2542    96.3    60000    5399   1.149  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Benchmark                  102.4     34.0     2.20    2533    98.4    60000    5205   1.150  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
AA 5744                             83.2     26.8     1.74    2528   100.0    60000    4749   1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4198                            98.4     29.8     1.93    2527   100.0    60000    4558   1.141  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
AA 1680                             85.8     30.2     1.96    2518   100.0    60000    4801   1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 3031                           104.0     32.8     2.12    2518    99.7    49969    5333   1.190  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4895                           104.0     35.1     2.27    2517    95.1    52208    5693   1.188  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant RL7                         92.9     30.3     1.96    2512   100.0    60000    4620   1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4198                       94.9     30.1     1.95    2501    99.8    60000    4739   1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot BigGame                    104.0     37.4     2.42    2499    94.1    51422    5604   1.185  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant RL15                       104.0     35.1     2.27    2483    93.9    51245    5564   1.201  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227                            88.6     27.3     1.77    2465   100.0    60000    4241   1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4320                           104.0     34.5     2.24    2428    93.5    49139    5263   1.212  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                       104.0     35.8     2.32    2424    91.2    49352    5419   1.247  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Varget                     104.0     33.9     2.20    2401    92.8    48814    5197   1.228  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant RL17                       104.0     36.8     2.38    2399    91.4    43341    5710   1.277  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4064                           104.0     33.1     2.15    2376    92.8    47708    5084   1.244  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
Brassman66 said:
Hi all,
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Brassman66 said:
This is not yet a Project but I am wondering if a 30-30 Winchester Casing with a 150 Grain Bullet could be loaded to achive over 2800 Fps.

Why do I ask this question !

I own a Mauser 66 Rifle in 9.3*64 Brenneke. There are different caliber exchange Barrels available for all Mauser 66 Rifles but not for a Mauser 66 in 9.3*64 the Brenneke because almost no other Shell fits the Bolthead. Exceptions are the 7.5 Swiss Ordnance Casing and also the 30-30 Winchester casing.

My thinking is if the 30-30 Shell could be loaded up to almost 30-06 performance then it may be worth to have an exchange Barrel made, (they are not cheap). Having a 30 cal. Cartridge would also allow using .22Cal. Bullets inside 30 Cal. Sabots.

What do you think ?

Cheers
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You had a good choice in your post already.

"7.5 Swiss Ordinance" - I'm accustomed to seeing that referring to the 7.5 Swiss revolver cartridge but I assume here it means the 7.5x55 Schmidt Rubin. Which is a great .30 caliber cartridge with near-30-06 ballistics. Powder capacity is slightly more than .308 win, uses ordinary .30 caliber bullets, and brass is readily available. .307 winchester brass not so easy to find lately.)

The remington accelerators were not accurate enough for gopher shooting beyond 100yds, which was the only reason they had to exist around here. Twist rates and such were maybe not completely suitable to the accelerator cartridges in some rifles.
 
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OP are you sure your measurements are correct? Wikipedia lists the 30-30 rim diameter at 0.506, and the 9.3x64 rim diameter at 0.496. It lists the base diameter of the 9.3x64 at 0.507, but I feel like that isn't the right measurement to use? Or is 0.02" close enough that it should work anyways?

I could be totally wrong, this is based on a quick look at Wikipedia, but thought it was worth bringing up.
 
Suther said:
OP are you sure your measurements are correct? Wikipedia lists the 30-30 rim diameter at 0.506, and the 9.3x64 rim diameter at 0.496. It lists the base diameter of the 9.3x64 at 0.507, but I feel like that isn't the right measurement to use? Or is 0.02" close enough that it should work anyways?

I could be totally wrong, this is based on a quick look at Wikipedia, but thought it was worth bringing up.
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Thanks for your input.
I did inserted about 40 previously reloaded 30-30 Casings from different Manufacturers in the Boltface of my 9.3*64 Mauser 66. Every one went in/out easy. Rim measure .499 to 500.
My Mauser 66 Boltface opening measures .4995 or .500 on my cheapo caliper.

RWS Factory Ammo bottom measures .493 to .494

Have not talked to the Barrel Manufacturer so far, at this point I am just toying around with this Idea

Cheers
 
jethunter said:


You had a good choice in your post already.

"7.5 Swiss Ordinance" - I'm accustomed to seeing that referring to the 7.5 Swiss revolver cartridge but I assume here it means the 7.5x55 Schmidt Rubin. Which is a great .30 caliber cartridge with near-30-06 ballistics. Powder capacity is slightly more than .308 win, uses ordinary .30 caliber bullets, and brass is readily available. .307 winchester brass not so easy to find lately.)

The remington accelerators were not accurate enough for gopher shooting beyond 100yds, which was the only reason they had to exist around here. Twist rates and such were maybe not completely suitable to the accelerator cartridges in some rifles.
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Thank you for your input.
I assumed the 7.5 * 55 Swiss Ordnance Cartridge uses a 7.5mm Bullet.
The fact that it uses a 30 Cal. Bullet (.306) is very good news. It would also reduce the cost of this Project considerable and would allow the use of 30Cal sabots for the .22 Cal Bullets.

Thank you

Cheers
 
There is a book you can buy, it's updated about every 5 years or so.
It's called Cartridges of the World. It claims to list over 1500 different cartridges from sporting to military.

I call it 1500 different ways of doing exactly the same thing.

If we all just chose a 30-06 bolt action, it would be a boring world.
 
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