.30 caliber 180 grain Hornady SP @ 3200 FPS. How do they hold up?

Not wanting to start a :nest: here!

But I personally don't feel shooting a bullet into wet newspaper, plywood and phone books is a fair test of a bullet. I've never seen an animal built as solid as 15" of wet phone books. Yes you may hit a bone but for the most part an animal's internal organs is much softer.

Here's a test of my theory...
punch your buddy as hard as you can in the belly
now punch 15" of wet phone book & see which one hurts your hand :D

Years ago I enjoyed water skiing, but would from time to time fall down. Sometimes that would feel like hitting a brick wall, particularly if the boat was executing a tight turn, and I would go skidding off across the surface of the water until I slowed enough to sink.

Now that impact was at 30 mph (44 fps), so how soft is an aqueous medium like live tissue if we increase the velocity at impact to 2045 mph (3000 fps)? The answer is not very soft at all, and the effects of the force at impact is recorded on the metal bullet if we are able to recover it. An expanding bullet that hits a heavy dense animal deforms more than a similar bullet that hits a small light frame animal, but that has much to do with the length of time that the force of impact can work on the bullet.

I like to test bullets. First it's interesting to see how bullets perform in a consistent medium, something that game is not. Secondly, if I can make a bullet fail in my test medium, why would I want to risk using it on a game animal? There are many hunters who believe it is beneficial if a bullet grenades once inside the chest cavity of a game animal, and I readily agree this more often then not results in a lightning fast kill. But not all shots are made broadside, and not all shots are made at long range. If your shot is quartering, or head on, the bullet must maintain its integrity for a longer period of time after moment of impact to get the job done. If the game is wounded with your first shot and you attempt a shot from directly behind to drop it, it's not likely that a fragile bullet impacting at over 3000 fps will work very well, unless you are able to spine the unfortunate critter. These situations are where the bonded solid shank bullets and mono-metal bullets shine.

Traditional cup and core bullets made for big game hunting seem to have optimal performance when they impact at about 2500 fps. When I refer to a bullet's loss of integrity, I'm not talking just about sprued cores, but also when expansion leaves less than 1/3 of the shank length intact. When a bullet expands to the extent that it becomes a flat button, it cannot penetrate in a straight line because to do so requires the bullet to rotates around a linear axis. This matters little on a broadside shot through the ribs and into the lungs, but again, not all shots are broadside. Neither is the game necessarily less than 300 pounds if we have chosen a 180 gr slug in a .300 super mag. When a bullet must penetrate on a quartering shot, it must penetrate in a straight line or it will be spent before it ever gets to the vitals. If you have ever recovered a bullet from a deer killed with a broadside shot, chances are that bullet would fail to get the job done if the shot was quartering.

If you anticipate your bullet is going to have an impact velocity anywhere near 3000 fps, IMHO you are better off with a premium bullet. If the Interlock or a cup and core bullet is your preference, then use a bullet that is heavier so the impact velocity is slower. "The heavy bullet strikes 8" low at 300 instead of 6", you say. I can't make use of 2" at 300 yards with a hunting rifle under field conditions, and chances are neither can you. "The very tough bullet will just pencil through without expanding," you say. That is unlikely with modern premiums provided the impact velocity is in excess of 2000 fps.

The key to all this is to use the appropriate bullet for the job. There is no need to use a traditional bullet in a high velocity rifle when you are hunting. A box of premium bullets will last many years if you are just using them to take game and verify your zero.
 
Not wanting to start a :nest: here!

But I personally don't feel shooting a bullet into wet newspaper, plywood and phone books is a fair test of a bullet. I've never seen an animal built as solid as 15" of wet phone books. Yes you may hit a bone but for the most part an animal's internal organs is much softer.

Here's a test of my theory...
punch your buddy as hard as you can in the belly
now punch 15" of wet phone book & see which one hurts your hand :D
Take a gander at http://www.theboxotruth.com/
 
Not wanting to start a :nest: here!

But I personally don't feel shooting a bullet into wet newspaper, plywood and phone books is a fair test of a bullet. I've never seen an animal built as solid as 15" of wet phone books. Yes you may hit a bone but for the most part an animal's internal organs is much softer.

Here's a test of my theory...
punch your buddy as hard as you can in the belly
now punch 15" of wet phone book & see which one hurts your hand :D


And nor do I want to get into it, but for me to test that bullet on a real live animal is also not something I wish to do. There was one phone book, maybe 1/2" (North Island to be exact to be exact:D), then a sheet of 3/8 plywood, then mix of dry/wet newspaper, all in a box made out of cardboard, total depth was ~20 ". The Hornady did not penatrate the length of the box. They just did not hold together at that speed. And where and what I hunt, there are things that will and do put a great big hurt on us humans, so I want a bullet that will hold together and go through a bone or two. Hornady's do not.

as for punching a buddy in the stomach.....well I will leave that to the macho types that like that sort of stuff.;):p

But each to their own....

SS
 
In 2005 I shot a spike horn with my 300 wby and a 165 grain sp.
It hit him hard at 65 yards a touch behind the front shoulder. It blew a hole through, and I have never seen the likes it broke the Diaphram, and sucked the guts out through that hole, to a point lookrd like a ballon on the side of him. Very little well NO meat damage. From then on I would never try for big bone and big speed I thought to myself. I am guessing I hit him about that speed you mention 3250-3300 the bullet worked, and was darn accurate. I would fear hitting a big animal with big shoulders, not that it would not kill it. I think they are good for boiler room shots, like any soft bullet.

A year before in 2004 I shot 3 deer with a 270 in the gang hunt, plus a bear with 130 hdy Sps and it only did one deer in but that was my fault I took it quartering to me on the shoulder and it tore it up I gather about 3050-3100 fps. It did break one of the bears shoulders on the way out, no recovery on the bullet.

I use the hdy sp in my 6.5x55 and 308s, it works well at 2650-2700 fps, and seems to hold together. Been using the Hdy sp for years, in all kinds of cases, seen my self making teh switch to the TSX or Accubond for the fast magnums, but used the hdy sp for years before with everything. They are accurate little buggers, more so than the InterBonds, and that was the main reason I used them as well. I will say this, they would shoot accurate in almost every case or speed i tried.
 
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If they group...shoot them! Hornady's have been around a long time & for good reason. They didn't all of a sudden become less effective the moment bonded or homogeneous bullets hit the shelves.
 
MTM; I feel compelled to remind you that if you hit a coyote right with any big game bullet, it will explode. The bullet didn't come apart, the animal just explodes.
I'm personally biased towards the Hornady 180gr interlock, as I shoot them in both of my 30-06's, and have had complete penetration, and full expansion on all animals. Weatherby has been loading these bullets for years, and this ammo is probably the most used of all Weatherby ammo. In their catalog they actually give the 180gr Hornady better retained weight than the Nosler partition of the same weight. When Weatherby loads for the 30-378 Weatherby though, they do not load a Hornady bullet behind it; this wisdom should tell you something. 300 Weatherby velocities yes; 30-378 velocities no.
I would like to point out that you can't take the 150gr Hornady interlock, 165 gr Hornady interlock, and the 180gr Hornady interlock and call them the same bullet. The 150gr, and 165gr bullets are designed softer, and lighter than the 180gr bullet. I believe that the 165gr is designed to react the same in the 308win as the 180gr reacts in the 30-06.
Mike
 
The recovered Hornady's never look as nice as the homogenous bullets we all love. They're normally a balled up mess that has lost 1/3 of their weight. But they are also normally under the hide on the far side of a dead animal.

Do I expect them to smash bone at high speed like a TSX or NP? Nope. But I think they're great on most any game animal at 30-06 speeds, and also great on medium game like deer (or a ribcage of a big animal) at magnum velocities.
 
In my experience the new TSX's are as accurate as any bullet on the market. I had problems with the original X, and definitely with the coated XLC, but now in at least a half dozen rifles, the TSX is extremely accurate.
 
In my experience the new TSX's are as accurate as any bullet on the market. I had problems with the original X, and definitely with the coated XLC, but now in at least a half dozen rifles, the TSX is extremely accurate.

Me too! TSX and TTSX have been very accurate!
 
shot a nice mulie last year at about 60yrds with the 180sp. dropped in his tracks, but made one hell of a mess!! average mv was 3277fps in my 300 wby. think i'll stick with the tsx for hunting, and save the hornady's for the range
 
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MTM; I feel compelled to remind you that if you hit a coyote right with any big game bullet, it will explode. The bullet didn't come apart, the animal just explodes.
I'm personally biased towards the Hornady 180gr interlock, as I shoot them in both of my 30-06's, and have had complete penetration, and full expansion on all animals. Weatherby has been loading these bullets for years, and this ammo is probably the most used of all Weatherby ammo. In their catalog they actually give the 180gr Hornady better retained weight than the Nosler partition of the same weight. When Weatherby loads for the 30-378 Weatherby though, they do not load a Hornady bullet behind it; this wisdom should tell you something. 300 Weatherby velocities yes; 30-378 velocities no.
I would like to point out that you can't take the 150gr Hornady interlock, 165 gr Hornady interlock, and the 180gr Hornady interlock and call them the same bullet. The 150gr, and 165gr bullets are designed softer, and lighter than the 180gr bullet. I believe that the 165gr is designed to react the same in the 308win as the 180gr reacts in the 30-06.
Mike

Mike, I've hunted for over 30 yrs. Used Hornadys in many calibers from 270 to 458. I've shot lots of animals with them not just guessing here. As I said they are great bullets in the 308- 06 and other standard calibers and kill quite well in magnums. If you use the 180s in high speed guns you are going to have bullet failure at some point. Keep your shots in the chest and don't hit big bones and you'll get spectacular kills. My brother uses them in his 300 WBY for Deer, drops them on the spot but makes a mess. I've shot lots of coyotes and know what happens when you shot them.
 
I've only shot the hornady spirepoints out of a 30-06 on game, and they did quite well there. However - even in that gun at close range hits on deer i found they expanded very very agressively and although they were effective i would really hesitate to use them out of a gun doing almost 400 fps faster if there were any chance of a short range hit, especially on a larger animal.

There's probably better bullets for those velocities. or - go bigger and slower.
 
To get to my favored hunting spots I usually have to drive 17 hours ($500-$600 in gas each way), 2 distinguished BC ferry trips ($100.00 each including one crappy meal), I have my license and tags ($120.00), a few nights in motels on the way up and down($400.00), one week off work (insert your own $$ here), bla $$, bla $$$, bla $$$$!

After all that I load up my shiny new $2000.00 Weatherby and then place all my trust in a bullet I that I saved $50.00 per hundred.....I don't think so.

If I were hunting with Pop's 30-06 then I would use and trust Hornadys.
 
I have used hornady bullets at that speed, they kill ok as long as no bone was struck.Expect them to come unglued though.I move to a premium with any cartridge over 3000fps, personal choice,it's cheap insurance and doesn't really add a lot of cost to a box of handloaded ammo_On deer size game it won't matter much other than more blood shot meat.

Bingo!! Eagleye.
 
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