So I haven't re-barreled my M1 carbine yet, because I'm on the fence here. Do I re-barrel my M1 Carbine, or just use a Mini-14? This will be my dogging gun. The M1 carbine is lighter, but when it comes to caliber, whats the verdict on .223 vs .30 carbine? Lots of arguments surrounding both of these calibers for deer hunting. Does it all just come down to shot placement really? The .223 does have more velocity and energy, but would having that wider, heavier bullet be an advantage of the .30 carbine?
.30 Carbine enough for deer?
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Why do you always insist on making this stupid argument every time one of these threads pop up? Comparing a heart shot to a gut shot is just absolute nonsense.... Going from one extreme to the other in comparing a .223 to a .338 lapua to try and emphasize your point makes it even worse....
In deciding if a cartridge is an adequate enough deer round you need to eliminate shot placement as a factor.... we all know that shot placement is important... the question is what about all of the other variables? What about cartridge limitations?.... Why limit yourself to something most would consider sub par at any distance over 50 yards and not overly great under it?
But let me guess, your next post will be to tell me that you don't need a super magnum to shoot a deer.... I already know that... and a quick check of the ballistics tables tells me there are tons of more suitable choices than the .30 cal and your beloved 22 hornet.....
If you want a rough and tumble semi for deer what about an SKS?
More jam for deer sized animals.
I would use a .30M1 for deer but it would have to be close, like sub-50m and broadside, no shoulder shots. I have killed 180lb warthogs with a .22lr but when I screwed the shot up one day the inadequacy of the tool became blatantly obvious...
Also, was the .30Carbine not notorious for being a bit a 'gutless' in the combat field? I think they are are great rifles. Only three military semi's really interest me and the .30M1 is one of them (the early AK's are one and the main one is the FAL). I would love one but it would be very low on my list of useful deer rifles.
More jam for deer sized animals.
I would use a .30M1 for deer but it would have to be close, like sub-50m and broadside, no shoulder shots. I have killed 180lb warthogs with a .22lr but when I screwed the shot up one day the inadequacy of the tool became blatantly obvious...
Also, was the .30Carbine not notorious for being a bit a 'gutless' in the combat field? I think they are are great rifles. Only three military semi's really interest me and the .30M1 is one of them (the early AK's are one and the main one is the FAL). I would love one but it would be very low on my list of useful deer rifles.
A little short on power, kinda like the 22 Hornet.
Be a good enough sustenance gun in a bind, but too low powered and a PITA to get decent ammo for too.
Neat rifles the M1 carbines but less than ideal as a deer round.
IMO
No offence intended and stay safe.
Be a good enough sustenance gun in a bind, but too low powered and a PITA to get decent ammo for too.
Neat rifles the M1 carbines but less than ideal as a deer round.
IMO
No offence intended and stay safe.
Maybe if they were using SP or HP's...........Winston Churchill carried a Broomhandle in the Sudan and Boer wars and found it quite satisfactory.With either the .30 mauser or M1 carbine bone needed to be struck with FMJ's to get the desired knockdown power.In Korea S+W .357 revolvers were preferred cure for winter clothing.Harold
I suppose if getting a deer is not that important to you, and you possess the judgement and self-control to pass on that deer that's outside your self-imposed limit, e.g. not completely broad-side and/or 76 (or 101) yards away standing looking at you, then do it.
My grandfather was killing wild boar and deer in france during WW2 with his m1 without any trouble under 75 yards...
I killed a nice buck last year with the same rifle(with a NR criterion barrel) and the deer have run less than 100 yards.
Plenty of power inside of 100 yard. I use remington sp and they expand and penetrate more than enought.
Accuracy is good too. I can hit a 8 inch plate at 200 yards consistently.
I killed a nice buck last year with the same rifle(with a NR criterion barrel) and the deer have run less than 100 yards.
Plenty of power inside of 100 yard. I use remington sp and they expand and penetrate more than enought.
Accuracy is good too. I can hit a 8 inch plate at 200 yards consistently.
anything larger then a squirrel requires one of those new MAGNUM cartridges.. anything less and you loose your man card
They couldn't have used HP or SP for warfare.
Such bullets were prohibited by the 1899 Hague Convention.
