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gewehr76 said:
No need to get your panties in the nut here over this. However let me educate you a bit on common sense on what ammo to use in your firearms.
Steel has been and always will be harder than brass. If you don't know this, then you have a gap in your knowledge. No matter what kind of firearm we can take, its action will get destroyed faster by steel cased ammo than brass cased. Steel cased ammo usually loaded hotter, because it can take higher pressure than brass.
To get back on C96 topic and its ammo, 7.63x25 and 7.62x25 were the same cartridge, right up until some accountant at the ammo factory decided to save costs. Brass is expensive to throw away. So let’s make steel cases and use steel in bullet construction, it’s cheaper, it’s only common sense. Yes its common sense, but delicate action of broom handle was not meant to be used with steel cases, when it was designed brass was material for ammo cases not steel. Therefore use of steel cases in C96 is damaging and lead to failures.
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I didn't think it was possible, but you have convinced me that.........other than a basic working knowledge of metallic properties, you have absolutely no knowledge of the C96 pistol, it's ammunition, steel-cased ammunition, or the history of any of the above. And your pejorative comments about my internet or national origins are nothing but a feeble attempt to hide your complete ignorance of the subject at hand.
Foolishness and Ignorance:
"Steel cased ammo usually loaded hotter, because it can take higher pressure than brass."
"7.63x25 and 7.62x25 were the same cartridge, right up until some accountant at the ammo factory decided to save costs"
"delicate action of broom handle was not meant to be used with steel cases, when it was designed brass was material for ammo cases not steel. Therefore use of steel cases in C96 is damaging and lead to failures"
"So now you can go back to gunboards, to US or Israel, wherever you came from and tell everyone that its common sense to use brass cased ammo in firearm that was designed and manufactured in era when no one heard of steel cases."

I would strongly recommend that you refrain from referring to your ignorance as "common sense', the term has been appropriated by too many anti-gun politicians. You're not one of them......are you? Go back to square one and study up a bit on the history of steel-cased ammunition, German production and issue of steel-cased ammo for the C96, and the difference between mild and hardened steel. Until you actually learn something worth discussing I think I'll refrain from finger-tip wear and ignore your childish blathering.
 
jonnyc said:
I didn't think it was possible, but you have convinced me that.........other than a basic working knowledge of metallic properties, you have absolutely no knowledge of the C96 pistol, it's ammunition, steel-cased ammunition, or the history of any of the above. And your pejorative comments about my internet or national origins are nothing but a feeble attempt to hide your complete ignorance of the subject at hand.
Foolishness and Ignorance:
"Steel cased ammo usually loaded hotter, because it can take higher pressure than brass."
"7.63x25 and 7.62x25 were the same cartridge, right up until some accountant at the ammo factory decided to save costs"
"delicate action of broom handle was not meant to be used with steel cases, when it was designed brass was material for ammo cases not steel. Therefore use of steel cases in C96 is damaging and lead to failures"
"So now you can go back to gunboards, to US or Israel, wherever you came from and tell everyone that its common sense to use brass cased ammo in firearm that was designed and manufactured in era when no one heard of steel cases."

I would strongly recommend that you refrain from referring to your ignorance as "common sense', the term has been appropriated by too many anti-gun politicians. You're not one of them......are you? Go back to square one and study up a bit on the history of steel-cased ammunition, German production and issue of steel-cased ammo for the C96, and the difference between mild and hardened steel. Until you actually learn something worth discussing I think I'll refrain from finger-tip wear and ignore your childish blathering.
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You can ignore my Childish blabbering or not, but every time you fire steel cased ammo in your firearm particles and shavings of its case get stuck in the action. With time if not cleaned, they create sand paper effect that causes wear and tear, no matter how hard is the difference between steel case and bolt you will have wear. Steel is steel. Ignoring this fact and believing that steel cased x25 ammo, if its Made in Germany must be ok to use. its Made in Germany. Come down to earth and smell the flowers. Next thing I guess you going to tell me that Mercedes-Bentz makes reliable automobiles, ha?
Anyway quotation is the best form of flattery, keep it up and you'll be a popular guy someday.
 
Guess you're not a car expert either...........it's Mercedes-Benz.....not "Bentz".
What exactly do you know??? Surely nothing related to this thread. "Steel is steel".......I think I was a bit generous with the "basic working knowledge of metallic properties" bit. You know nothing about tool steel, mild steel, ordnance steel, hardened steel, etc? Shame.
 
jonnyc said:
Guess you're not a car expert either...........it's Mercedes-Benz.....not "Bentz".
What exactly do you know??? Surely nothing related to this thread. "Steel is steel".......I think I was a bit generous with the "basic working knowledge of metallic properties" bit. You know nothing about tool steel, mild steel, ordnance steel, hardened steel, etc? Shame.
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What exactly I know you ask?
Is what I've been telling you that steel case ammo in C96 can and will damage it. I know that US army continues to use brass cased 5.56 in their M16. I guess you know that as well. How come they haven't switched to steel cases? I know why, you probably don't.
I'm not a car guy, I just fix them. Benz shmentz or bmw, not everything made in mexican germany is good for you.
 
The only people who seem to have reliable access to this ammunition are IRUNGUNS. They have the ammunition in stock and are willing to import the ammunition for us, the issue became timing. We put in our request too late for the date that we require the ammunition in Petawawa.

As for the rest of the thread, I can't believe that people feel the need to comment when they don't have anything constructive to input. If someone is asking for a source, they obviously have checked: their local gun shops, the internet, anyone they can think of and under every rock they can.

What a #### show this turned into.
 
Damn, you can't even quote right!

I said: "Until you actually learn something worth discussing I think I'll refrain from finger-tip wear and ignore your childish blathering."

You haven't, so I will. I can put that in simpler words if that's too hard to understand.
 
jonnyc said:
Damn, you can't even quote right!

I said: "Until you actually learn something worth discussing I think I'll refrain from finger-tip wear and ignore your childish blathering."

You haven't, so I will. I can put that in simpler words if that's too hard to understand.
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Looks like you are even too lazy to defend your point, anyway you have no leg to stand on. Go eat falafel or something instead of arguing.
 
You've not learned or presented anything new, interesting, or correct. All you've shown is that you're a foolish, ignorant, racist, demagogue.
Nothing to defend against, I stand by my posts.
Bye, loser. Keep flappin' them ignorant fingers.
 
jonnyc said:
Mods, nothing new here......might as well lock it.
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I have not insulted you a single time, read my posts. Yet you insulted me every post in this thread, now you are crying to mods to help you and calling me racist, what a sense of entitlement on this guy.
You have not proven your point, nor you explained anything in your posts except learn this and research that, then something childish etc. That's all came out of your posts.
 
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