30 Nosler

I think you'd be disappointed to learn that very few people are actually as "passionate" about the differences as you.
Classic signs of inferiority complex. :)

I think you are confused. I don't get upset when new cartridges are introduced. They either interest me or they do not, but getting upset because they were created adn are for sale is not something I am interested in. It's the guys that say stuff like "marketing ploy" and "why do we NEED another cartridge?" and/or try to discredit the new cartridge that are "passionate" about the differences.

Me, I'm like cool...Don't want a new .300? no worries. Want something new? Great, here it is.
 
Impressive numbers that's for sure, but a 7STW can beat that 130 with 140's with a long barrel and loaded hot lol.

:)

Now the obvious response is "How does the STW handle 210 gr bullets"

And Someone will suggest the WSM's can't use heavier than 180gr bullets, so the WSM is junk (It's false, but they will repeat what they read on the internet) :)

Then we will get to the belted/no belt arguments.

It's going to be a good thread. ;)
 
All good points, some of the new cartridges interested me a lot, others not so much. For one I really like the 325, at the same time have no interest in the 300 WSM. The 300 RUM interested me, but this Nosler offering doesn't.

It's the same with rifle makes and models, the more the merrier!!!
 
I think you are confused. I don't get upset when new cartridges are introduced. They either interest me or they do not, but getting upset because they were created adn are for sale is not something I am interested in. It's the guys that say stuff like "marketing ploy" and "why do we NEED another cartridge?" and/or try to discredit the new cartridge that are "passionate" about the differences.

Me, I'm like cool...Don't want a new .300? no worries. Want something new? Great, here it is.


Your sig line and constant "new king" posts certainly don't portray the nonchalant attitude you claim to have. ;)
 
Your sig line and constant "new king" posts certainly don't portray the nonchalant attitude you claim to have. ;)

I think you are trying to put your own spin on my posts, attempting to imply something that isn't there. I was discussing people that get upset about new cartridges, not people like me who enjoy some of the new offerings.

Maybe this can clear it up for you -I'm not upset that the HH exists. However- Some people are indeed upset that the NEW KING exists.

I don't know if I can make that any clearer to you.
 
All good points, some of the new cartridges interested me a lot, others not so much. For one I really like the 325, at the same time have no interest in the 300 WSM. The 300 RUM interested me, but this Nosler offering doesn't.

It's the same with rifle makes and models, the more the merrier!!!

I think anyone that is interested in the new cartridges is like that. :)

The only Nosler that appeals to me is the 26. Then again if I was looking for a 7 or 300 magnum I might look at them too. The only RUM that appealed to me was the 338, the 270WSM doesn't interest me but the 7WSM does. The 338 RCM looks awesome but I'll take a 300WSM over the 300 RCM....

:)
 
I think you are trying to put your own spin on my posts, attempting to imply something that isn't there. I was discussing people that get upset about new cartridges, not people like me who enjoy some of the new offerings.

Maybe this can clear it up for you -I'm not upset that the HH exists. However- Some people are indeed upset that the NEW KING exists.

I don't know if I can make that any clearer to you.

What was I thinking. Everything new is of course better. Silly me.

But now I'm really confused....HH? Helly Hansen dethroned? So who's this NEW KING of long underwear?

Anywho, back to the 30 Nosler, which would look a lot more manly if it wore a belt.
 
I have a hard time seeing a niche for the new 30 Nosler........ballistically somewhere between the 300 WM and 300 Wby..........that's not exactly a gaping ballistic hole that needed filling IMHO. Also with brass and rifles at 4X the cost of the Win or Wby that ballistic gap becomes virtually non-existent to any who care about their hard earned dollars at all. Nosler is, in my opinion, trying to cover any inroads wildcatters may make of their supposedly new case design, which they stole from Dakota of course. So they themselves are going to wildcat it up and maybe down for the full gamut and figure out what stays and what goes.............I think a 375 on this case would be a super cartridge and may even put the last nail in the 375 Imposter coffin, which as we all know is dying a slow and painful lingering death. Ruger keeps coming out with uglier and uglier models in the soon to be dead Imposter, trying futilely to resurrect this corpse of a cartridge.
But in all seriousness, if Nosler expects any of it's offspring to be other than still born, they will have to address the cost factor and get it down to a competitive level, at least as far as ammo and component brass goes, or their offerings will just be more overpriced boutique cartridges and rifles with virtually no market past the initial hype and flurry.

Gate.........300 WSM, 300 H&H, 308 NM, 300 Win, 300 Wby, 300 RUM, 7.62 Lazzaroni, 300 Dakota, 30-378 Wby and now the 30 Nosler as well as a couple I may have forgotten or am not acquainted with.
 
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Impressive numbers that's for sure, but a 7STW can beat that 130 with 140's with a long barrel and loaded hot lol.

yep it sure can :d

Code:
Cartridge          : 7 mm STW
Bullet             : .284, 140, Barnes 'TTSX'BT 30300
Useable Case Capaci: 88.244 grain H2O = 5.730 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.650 inch = 92.71 mm
Barrel Length      : 28.0 inch = 711.2 mm
Powder             : IMR 7828

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   99    78.26   3425    3647   60883  12821     99.8    1.231  ! Near Maximum !
-09.0  100    79.13   3462    3726   63166  12889     99.9    1.211  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-08.0  101    80.00   3499    3805   65536  12947    100.0    1.191  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-07.0  102    80.87   3535    3885   67995  12997    100.0    1.172  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-06.0  103    81.74   3571    3965   70548  13041    100.0    1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-05.0  105    82.61   3607    4045   73200  13084    100.0    1.134  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-04.0  106    83.48   3643    4125   75955  13126    100.0    1.116  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-03.0  107    84.35   3678    4206   78818  13166    100.0    1.098  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-02.0  108    85.22   3714    4287   81793  13205    100.0    1.081  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-01.0  109    86.09   3749    4369   84888  13243    100.0    1.064  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0  110    86.96   3784    4451   88107  13279    100.0    1.047  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0  111    87.83   3819    4533   91457  13314    100.0    1.031  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  112    88.70   3854    4616   94945  13347    100.0    1.014  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
 
I think if it were given a chance with modern powders, the old and long forgotten 30 Newton would be pretty impressive.
Google that...

In a 26" barrel :

Code:
Cartridge          : .30 Newton
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler AccuBond 54825
Useable Case Capaci: 78.823 grain H2O = 5.118 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 50996 psi, or 351 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

36 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL26                        94.1     73.5     4.76    2964   100.0    50996   10920   1.338  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25                       102.3     73.9     4.79    2939   100.0    50996   10617   1.325  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           100.6     71.0     4.60    2913    97.7    50996   10836   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc                         95.1     71.0     4.60    2913    97.7    50996   10836   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro                           96.7     74.7     4.84    2912    95.8    50996   11206   1.340  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22                        96.4     70.8     4.59    2903    98.7    50996   10770   1.338  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      97.1     76.9     4.98    2891    99.3    50996   10403   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL23                        98.8     70.2     4.55    2882   100.0    50996    9790   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      105.0     75.5     4.89    2879    97.7    50408   10584   1.326  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL33                       105.0     82.8     5.36    2860    92.5    45999   11740   1.393  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19                        93.0     67.6     4.38    2859    98.5    50996   10222   1.335  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                       98.4     69.5     4.50    2836    96.8    50996   10078   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc                     94.6     69.5     4.50    2836    96.8    50996   10078   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    105.0     76.7     4.97    2832    99.1    44293   11016   1.409  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            92.6     64.4     4.18    2821   100.0    50996    9321   1.360  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 90.7     63.8     4.13    2802   100.0    50996    8792   1.349  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       90.4     64.2     4.16    2800    99.1    50996    9416   1.340  ! Near Maximum !
 
In a 26" barrel :

Code:
Cartridge          : .30 Newton
Bullet             : .308, 180, Nosler AccuBond 54825
Useable Case Capaci: 78.823 grain H2O = 5.118 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 50996 psi, or 351 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

36 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant RL26                        94.1     73.5     4.76    2964   100.0    50996   10920   1.338  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL25                       102.3     73.9     4.79    2939   100.0    50996   10617   1.325  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           100.6     71.0     4.60    2913    97.7    50996   10836   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828ssc                         95.1     71.0     4.60    2913    97.7    50996   10836   1.320  ! Near Maximum !
AA MagPro                           96.7     74.7     4.84    2912    95.8    50996   11206   1.340  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL22                        96.4     70.8     4.59    2903    98.7    50996   10770   1.338  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                      97.1     76.9     4.98    2891    99.3    50996   10403   1.331  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL23                        98.8     70.2     4.55    2882   100.0    50996    9790   1.344  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      105.0     75.5     4.89    2879    97.7    50408   10584   1.326  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL33                       105.0     82.8     5.36    2860    92.5    45999   11740   1.393  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant RL19                        93.0     67.6     4.38    2859    98.5    50996   10222   1.335  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                       98.4     69.5     4.50    2836    96.8    50996   10078   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831sc                     94.6     69.5     4.50    2836    96.8    50996   10078   1.332  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo                    105.0     76.7     4.97    2832    99.1    44293   11016   1.409  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                            92.6     64.4     4.18    2821   100.0    50996    9321   1.360  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 90.7     63.8     4.13    2802   100.0    50996    8792   1.349  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       90.4     64.2     4.16    2800    99.1    50996    9416   1.340  ! Near Maximum !

Tod, Thanks for the chart, so my old 300 H&H is not so far behind after all.
I've owned and used it for a couple years short of 5 decades and a school chum collected Newton rifles, always putting my old Holland down while all the time extolling the virtues of the 30 Newton.
I'm sure its the slowest of the 300s, but as long as I don't tell it so it will just keep doing what it does best.... putting meat in the freezer.
My ' modern load ' is a 165 Barnes or Nosler over 74.0 RL22....
 
In my opinion weatherby benefits the most from the introduction of any new nosler cartridge. All it does is reproduce what is already on the market yet all of the sudden it makes weatherby ammunition and brass seem like a cheap option, when previously compared to anything else it was prohibitively expensive (for some of us average joes)
 
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