300 & 800 yard sights mk4 no1

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recently brought my enfield home to ontario.shot it and to my dissmay at 100 yards its 20 inches high and 12inches left and no apparent way to adjust the sights. i would have thought fixed battle sights would have been a little more accurate. i bought it still in cosmoline with out wood. would have hated to have been issued this rifle and been tossed into battle. however as this is not the case i guess ill go to marstar and by an adjustable sight unless someone has any ideas on how to adjust the sights. i still belive every self respecting newfoundlander should own one they have taken the majority of the moose in the last 100 years or so
thanks for any help Adam

ps i should mention as much as it was off i still shot tight groups an once compensated for the sights i was on target
 
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I will assume you have a 2-position rear sight, for 300 and 600 yards. But even then, 20 inches is a bit high at 100 yards.

The easiest thing to do is to buy a taller front sight blade. Take a look at it and see if you can read its size, looking down on it from the top. There should be something there; once you know this you can figure out how taller you need to go and then find the front sight blade of the right size.

Lou
 
recently brought my enfield home to ontario. picked it up over 20 years ago, never used it other than to test fire it, so i thought it deserved to be shot and to my dissmay at 100 yards its 20 inches high and 12inches left and no apparent way to adjust the sights. i would have thought fixed battle sights would have been a little more accurate. i bought it still in cosmoline with out wood (was part of an ira find) but i would have hated to have been issued this rifle and been tossed into battle. however as this is not the case i guess ill go to marstar and by an adjustable sight unless someone has any ideas on how to adjust the sights. i still belive every self respecting newfoundlander should own one they have taken the majority of the moose in the last 100 years or so
thanks for any help Adam

ps i should mention as much as it was off i still shot tight groups an once compensated for the sights i was on target

First off the rifle would have been 'fitted' to the rifleman, via stock length and then sighted in. But, Lou is right, it is a tad high at 100. Normally after they were sighted in they would shoot around 8 inches high at 100. Like Lou says, find a taller front sight.

There are 8 different heights. -0.030, -.0.15, 0, 0.015, 0.030, 0.045, 0.060, 0.075. At 100 yards each change in sight high equals 1.87" difference.

That being said there might be a bedding issue with your rifle, as a simple sight change still will not get your POA=POI.

Wait for smellie or buffdog and they will be able to help you diagnose a potential stock problem
 
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First of all, is the rifle in original wood or has it been sporterized?

You said you bought it without wood. Have you put wood on it? If not, how did you fire it? Is "the damned crack" present in the small wood area connecting the back end of the forestock? In fact, is the correct wood forestock installed?

PICTURES--PICTURES----PICTURES. Many times there are things in pictures that give a clue as to a problem. Without PICTURES, as it has been raining here in Manitoba for some time, the cloudy skies distort any mental images received by my Crystal Ball.

What ammo did you use? Bullet weights and make if possible. Were all from the same box? Did you rest the rifle? How did you rest the rifle --forestock or barrel? Even the point at which you held your hand or rested the forestock will change point of impact, as will a hard or soft surface the forestock is rested on.

A number 4 rifle was designed to be zeroed at 300 yards WITH the Bayonet attached, using .303 Mark VII Ball ammunition. Any other weight and type of ammunition can give wide variation in point of impact.

If you had been assigned this rifle, you would have had enough range practice to have the sights properly aligned and zeroed by an Armourer, and a proper length butt stock. To say that you would have hated to have been issued this rifle and then go into battle when it is you who have changed so many variables is not really the best comment to make, considering your inexperience.

Without a lot more information, it is possible to give some guesses, but that is what you are going to get---a guess.

Now, saying that, it is quite possible to adjust sights to coincide with the point of impact. A special "screwdriver" is needed to loosen the front sight, which MUST be moved in the direction of the group. In other words, you will have to move the front sight to the left AFTER loosening the locking screw.

As mentioned, your front sight will have to be changed to a taller one. You could install a Mark I adjustable micrometer sight on the rear sight base, but probably putting a taller front sight on the rifle will throw off any marked distances on the sight after 100 yards.

Military rifles are designed to hit VERTICAL targets, that is, a MAN and not really have a nice group centered on a target bullseye. Aftermarket adjustable sights are available so that you can shoot paper targets, with a proper center hold on the bullseye. Therefore Military sights generally have a MINIMUM sight setting of approximately 300 yards or Meters, and by setting the sights at this minimum distance, a Man sized target can usually be engaged out to about 450-500 yards with a center of mass hold.
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Military rifles are designed to hit VERTICAL targets, that is, a MAN and not really have a nice group centered on a target bullseye. Aftermarket adjustable sights are available so that you can shoot paper targets, with a proper center hold on the bullseye. Therefore Military sights generally have a MINIMUM sight setting of approximately 300 yards or Meters, and by setting the sights at this minimum distance, a Man sized target can usually be engaged out to about 450-500 yards with a center of mass hold.

Ditto on the vertical group theory. Most military rifles were designed to shoot at long ranges. Aim at the belt and hit somewhere in the middle. If the bullet was low, oh well no more little Huns in a generation. If the bullet was too high, ah ha down he goes.
 
On the Enfield a loose fore-stock will cause horizontal stringing.
A loose butt stock will cause vertical stringing.
And not oiling your stock with raw linseed oil can cause both problems.
Its called wood shrinkage with the wood pulling away from the draws area.
Your wood could be as dry as a popcorn fart. :eek:

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If you can fit a feeler gauge between the rear of the fore stock and the receiver socket you have wood shrinkage. ;)

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thanks for the info, ill try to get some pictures up, i did restock it in full wood however it is missmached in colour but was ordered as mk4 no1 wood and has no play in either the fore stock or the but stock. i fired it off sand bags front and back with out the bayonet and was never rested on the barrell, ammo was rem fmj 174 grain, and i will check the dam
thanks adam

ps after reading bigedp51 article i think ill bring it to gunco and have jason look at it rather than me screwing up a beautifull piece of history
 
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And if you live near Aylmer, I'll be back from our camping trip at the end of July, I will be glad to help you out if needed.

Lou
 
The Lee Enfield #4 Mk1 point of impact is raised or lowered by exchanging the front sight.Available front sights for the #4 are as follows;
-0.045
-0.030
-0.015
0
+0.015
+0.030
+0.045
+0.060
+0.075
+0.090
+105
+0.120
 
thanks for all the info guys i really apprecate all the help if it were not for cgn i'd be at the mercy of the local gun store
thanks adam
 
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