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Step 8: Measure neck diameter to ensure it is within SAAMI specs of 0.334"

You realize that this dimension is pointless without a bullet seated in the neck? You could have a neck that is too thick and it would still show the correct dimension prior to seating a bullet.


Lets try and clear up your issue shall we?

1. A sized case fits into the chamber and drops free.

2. A sized case allows the bolt to lock up properly.

If those two statements are correct then the issue is not in your brass. If these statements are not true then the first thing I'd do is to run the sizing die in a little bit to try to shorten the case and then try steps 1 and 2 again. Repeat until the brass fits the chamber properly.

Once you have the case fitting the chamber properly then we move on to bullet seating. If you have it, a Chamber All gauge is the quickest and most accurate way to get the seating depth correct.

You have already seen markings on the bullet from the lands. Just shorten the loaded length till those do not appear. Don't forget that different bullets will have different shapes and so interface with the rifling at different lengths.
 
You realize that this dimension is pointless without a bullet seated in the neck? You could have a neck that is too thick and it would still show the correct dimension prior to seating a bullet.


Lets try and clear up your issue shall we?

1. A sized case fits into the chamber and drops free.

2. A sized case allows the bolt to lock up properly.

If those two statements are correct then the issue is not in your brass. If these statements are not true then the first thing I'd do is to run the sizing die in a little bit to try to shorten the case and then try steps 1 and 2 again. Repeat until the brass fits the chamber properly.

Once you have the case fitting the chamber properly then we move on to bullet seating. If you have it, a Chamber All gauge is the quickest and most accurate way to get the seating depth correct.

You have already seen markings on the bullet from the lands. Just shorten the loaded length till those do not appear. Don't forget that different bullets will have different shapes and so interface with the rifling at different lengths.

With a bullet seated and lightly crimped, my previous measurements in earlier posts shows 0.332" to 0.333". Here's a couple pics.

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1. Cases can fit in the chamber and drop free. A couple cases needs a light tap to make them fall out. All cases are trimmed to the exact same length.

2. Yes. A bolt will close and lockup with an empty case in the chamber as well as extract cleanly.

Yup, I'm aware that different bullets (even from the same batch) will have variances in the shape and OGIVE length. This I learned from loading my 308 stuff. I'm not entirely new to reloading which is why this dilemma is giving me gray hairs. I would have to shorten my ammo to roughly 1.468" to the OGIVE to clear the lands.

I just went and remeasured my COAL on my loads. I was off on my original measurement notes. My 155gr AMAX will be 2.092", my 155gr SMK will be 2.052" and 168gr SMK at 2.063". It doesn't bother me if the ammo is short vs long. I just want to be sure that I'm not creating an overpressure situation esp. when I compare my OAL measurements to that of the Hornady, Sierra and even Hodgdon load data. Going from 2.220" to 2.092" for 155gr AMAX and from 2.105" to 2.050" for 155gr SMK.

Has anyone loaded 155gr AMAX or SMK here and would care to mention their OAL just for reference?

Tomorrow I'm going to try the poor-man's paraffin wax chamber cast since I don't have immediate access to cerrosafe and hopefully I can get some general idea of my chamber measurements. Going from my reloading experience and seeing that all my case dimensions are sound, I've got a gut feeling that my barrel isn't up to spec but we'll see.

FYI, some background info on my thinking ability, I've worked in IT for the last 12 yrs, computers for 20+yrs (yeah computer geek) and have two engineering backgrounds, one of which I've graduated with honors, Civil engineering being one of them and I have also done my share of woodworking/cabinetry so I'm generally pretty adept at problem solving or with measurements and simple displacement theories ie, I know if I stick a .308 diameter object into a 0.333" neck sized case, the thickness of the walls of the case will cause that 0.333" to increase in diameter. Hence why this little issue is driving me knuts. Sorry, don't mean to sound callous, just frustrated is all.

My factory ammo should be here by Thursday, that should be a bit of a litmus test. If they chamber cleanly, then we know it's something I'm doing wrong. Damn, maybe I shudda stuck to 223. This 300BLK is giving me a fracking headache. :p
 
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okay really dumb question, because I know that you know better.........but when you measure to get you COAL are you measuring to the tip of the bullet or to the ogive??
 
okay really dumb question, because I know that you know better.........but when you measure to get you COAL are you measuring to the tip of the bullet or to the ogive??

LOL, from the base to the tip of the bullet for COAL. OGIVE measurement, is approx 1.468" to clear the lands using the Hornady Bullet Comparator gauge with the 30cal insert.

Looking at the pic below, I should have 1.565" chamber length up to the end of the freebore, no?

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Just an update. I did a chamber cast with paraffin wax since i don't have immediate access to Cerrosafe. Kind tough to get measurements off wax I'll tell ya that!

Anyhow, rough measurement of the freebore/leade section of my barrel is 0.075" till I start seeing the impression of the lands and looking at the SAAMI chart above, it should be 0.1718". I'm probably and most likely not measuring it properly since the entire chamber bore is built into the reamer. Unless my barrel was done with an old worn out reamer. :p

Anyhow, we'll see what the factory ammo says hopefully on Thursday.

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I would just email NEA and ask if they are chambering for light bullets only with a custom reamer......

The problem with paraffin wax is the shrinkage factor when it cools, never the less it will give you a fairly close measurement....
 
I would have to shorten my ammo to roughly 1.468" to the OGIVE to clear the lands.

I just went and remeasured my COAL on my loads. I was off on my original measurement notes. My 155gr AMAX will be 2.092", my 155gr SMK will be 2.052" and 168gr SMK at 2.063". It doesn't bother me if the ammo is short vs long. I just want to be sure that I'm not creating an overpressure situation

rough measurement of the freebore/leade section of my barrel is 0.075" till I start seeing the impression of the lands and looking at the SAAMI chart above, it should be 0.1718".

300 BLK is derived from the older 300 Whisper, which spawned a number of wildcats like 300-221. Thus it is possible there is a number of different throat specs.

If you are going to reload then it doesn't really matter how long the throat is in your barrel. Seat the bullets to match your chamber and Bob's Your Uncle. If you are going to use factory ammo then it is more important the throat meets the SAAMI spec.

For reloaders you aren't going to produce an overpressure situation by seating the bullets deeper because you tailor your load to your ammo and ultimately your chamber. At this point all the SAAMI spec dimensions are meaningless.

SAAMI only exists to make sure that disparate parts and ammo will all work together. It is basically irrelevant for reloaders. IMO you are overthinking this whole thing. Load your ammo to fit your chamber and stop worrying about the rest.
 
SAAMI only exists to make sure that disparate parts and ammo will all work together. It is basically irrelevant for reloaders. IMO you are overthinking this whole thing. Load your ammo to fit your chamber and stop worrying about the rest.

Yeah, you're prob right. I'm being overly paranoid but I like my numbers to add up so to speak. Guess that's the engineer in me.

Got a box of Hornady 300 Whisper 110gr from Wanstalls today and tried it in the barrel. Well, it too hits the lands and does not fall free out of the barrel. I have to take a rod from the muzzle end to tap it lightly for it to fall loose. OAL on the factory ammo is 2.093". I'll let NEA know of my findings and see what they say.

As a comparrison, I tried dropping some reloads and factory ammo into my DD 5.56 barrel. Sure enough it seems that those too just lightly touch the lands and don't fall free unless I prod them lightly from the muzzle end. So I think I'm good to go. I just got to build up some loads for my seating depth as Suputin says.

My upper/lower got shipped today and CP's ETA is on Monday.

Thanks all for you help and advice. I'll post range report when I get chance.
 
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