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Hey guys Ian from Herronarms posting here.
I just watched a youtube video which I will link below and in the video they mention multiple time that their gun in the video is "the first one in the world" meaning the first Tavor in 300 Blackout. The video has annoyed me personally as either the world ends at the U.S border or they are making a generalized statement,the reason being that I have had a prototype functional to the same degree as theirs in the video since 2012 so obviously theirs is not the first. Mine may not be the first either but its the earliest prototype I know about. Rant over

We chose not to announce the project as a success until we reach our mission goal, which is to have the Tavor function reliably in both supersonic and subsonic without a suppressor. Supersonic function with a suppressor is easy but what good is that to us cannucks, supersonic unsuppressed is a little more involved but works fine. Subsonic, either suppressed or not is difficult especially with the factory Remington ammo which we have for testing. So for the last almost 2 years I have spent lots of time and money on testing and development including high speed video footage. I think we are close to a solution but I have no timeframe for completion of the project due to the need to generate monthly income on other projects.

So all you guys that are chomping at the bit for a Tavor in Blackout, hang tight and be assured when its ready for sale you will be getting a perfected design that will perform as desired, with a non-restricted barrel and without the prohibited device on the end.

here is the link to the video
w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=S8-5FNYD2rg
 
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Glad to here it, but i still think for all intents and purposes GHW is the first to be publicly shown, tested, functional, and at this rate, first to production...

Cant get mad some one has beat you to the punch can you?

Yours has been quiet for so long I had assumed it was given up on.

GHW was not overly excited about doing a run for Canadian specific barrels however, so us Cunucks might not get NR barrel lengths in .300BLK from him anyways.

Would you be able to do custom 5.56 barrels? Different profiles? Seems North Sylva is not interested in even bringing in spare factory made 18.5" or 15" barrels.
 
HerronArms said:
Hey guys Ian from Herronarms posting here.
I just watched a youtube video which I will link below and in the video they mention multiple time that their gun in the video is "the first one in the world" meaning the first Tavor in 300 Blackout. The video has annoyed me personally as either the world ends at the U.S border or they are making a generalized statement,the reason being that I have had a prototype functional to the same degree as theirs in the video since 2012 so obviously theirs is not the first. Mine may not be the first either but its the earliest prototype I know about. Rant over

We chose not to announce the project as a success until we reach our mission goal, which is to have the Tavor function reliably in both supersonic and subsonic without a suppressor. Supersonic function with a suppressor is easy but what good is that to us cannucks, supersonic unsuppressed is a little more involved but works fine. Subsonic, either suppressed or not is difficult especially with the factory Remington ammo which we have for testing. So for the last almost 2 years I have spent lots of time and money on testing and development including high speed video footage. I think we are close to a solution but I have no timeframe for completion of the project due to the need to generate monthly income on other projects.

So all you guys that are chomping at the bit for a Tavor in Blackout, hang tight and be assured when its ready for sale you will be getting a perfected design that will perform as desired, with a non-restricted barrel and without the prohibited device on the end.

here is the link to the video
w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=S8-5FNYD2rg
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I have no dog in this fight but I believe that you are taking this a little too seriously.
You did not publicize the existence of your 300 Blackout Tavor for whatever reason when you first built it so as far as they know they are the first to do it.
To quote a line from Zero Dark Thirty " We don't know what we don't know."

If the recognition of being "the first" means that much to you next time you will post up a quick little video with your progress.
 
Ian, what ammo are you using specifically?
I have a Bushmaster ACR with a 300BLK barrel I had custom made functioning well with both supersonic and subsonic handloads with a carbine length gas system (just shortened the op rod to compensate for the new gas block position). I would like to try it with the same ammo you are using. I drilled my gas port to 0.125", it started life at 0.1" but was having trouble cycling. I know the ACR and Tavor have different gas systems but maybe that ammo just isn't suitable for subsonic semi auto use.
I had a PWS piston driven AR with 9.75 inch barrel and pistol length gas system and it wouldn't cycle the Hornady 208gr factory loads but would cycle my 208gr handloads using A1680 no problem at all.
What length is the gas system in the Tavor? If it's mid length can it be shortened?

I understand you not wanting to release something that doesn't function perfectly with super and subsonic but some factory ammo just won't cycle a semi from what I can tell. If a $2000+ AR is being sold that won't cycle all subsonic factory loads you should be safe releasing your setup as long as you can find a factory load that will cycle it. I didn't think there was something wrong with my PWS because it wouldn't cycle that ammo, I just understood that not all ammo is compatible with all semi auto rifles.
I need to do more testing with my ACR and my 300BLK AR but I shoot 99% handloads so I can make most bullet weights cycle at a wide range of velocities.

Don't get too upset about the other guys, until you officially announce your's and start selling it then it doesn't really exist officially. Just like my ACR, I think I'm one of two people in Canada with a functioning 300BLK ACR, it's not really something anyone can get so it kinda doesn't really exist for the most part.
I get PM's all the time with people offering to buy my barrel and have offered to help people put their own together but mine isn't for sale and no one wants to spend the $500 on the barrel then do any work to finish the project. Most also don't seem to understand that there is no downside to sacrificing your restricted barrel's gas system since you can't legally put that barrel back on once you make the rifle non restricted anyway without re-registering it as restricted first, to order a new factory gas system is expensive and takes a few months to get. The restricted/non restricted issue isn't a concern when starting out with a non restricted Tavor and I don't know what the prices and wait times are like to buy a second gas system for one but it can't be as bad as Bushmaster parts right now.

Too bad I'm not a bigger fan of the Tavor or I would have been trying to convert one of them to 300BLK as well. Would have gladly shared any info with you to help get them running.

Good luck with the project. Keep em coming.
 
I did some research/reading on the 300 blackout cartridge and I was impressed. Sounds good to me all around. A tavor chambered in it definetly sounds sweet. Also it sounds like a conversion kit would just be a barrel swap out maybe. I hope you get these going soon, sounds great.
 
bfiles said:
Yes true, except for price and availability for the ammo
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If you can afford a $2500 rifle then you should be able to afford ammo or reloading equipment. It isn't really all that bad feeding a 300BLK, I have 3 of them and use them regularly.

If you're on a budget then a nice SKS or CZ will run x39 much better than a rifle designed for 223 that has been converted to run that crappy old cartridge. 300BLK/Whisper was designed specifically to be run in a 5.56 semi auto platform with minimal modifications. To convert a rifle over to x39 not only do you need a new barrel but you need a new bolt or you need to machine your 223/5.56 bolt to accept the larger case which weakens the bolt which leads to breakage.
Also consider the already mediocre accuracy of the Tavor will be even worse switching to the x39 which other than with handloads has never been known for even decent accuracy in which case it will cost you the same as running 300BLK except there are virtually no bullet choices in .311.
The only + to x39 is the price. Cheap ammo goes in cheap guns.
Just my $0.02
 
CR5 nobody is going to disagree about the merits of 300 blackout. And yes if I can afford a $2500 rifle I can also afford the more expensive conversion costs to 7.62X39.

You are right, the plus to X39 is price. So if you are in the business of creating conversion kits, wouldn't you think more people would be willing to buy the one that shoots the cheaper ammo?

I like to shoot a lot. The price of the gun is irrelevant when you add up ammo cost over time.

For the price and availability of 300 black I'll stick to 556.
 
onetwentyish said:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...vor-Barrels-Guage-of-Interest?highlight=Tavor

Have a look at this. If you could make us replacement 5.56 barrels, heavy to light options, you would probably be able to fund that .300BLK prototyping. :)
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I am not opposed to making 5.56 barrels but I have two issues first is the lack of availability for barrel extensions and gasblocks, second is the fact that North Sylva may decide next week to bring in some factory barrels quicker and/or cheaper than I can make them and I would be sitting on a capital investment that suddenly wasn't selling so fast.
The first I have some control on but the second I don't
 
Brian46 said:
What is a 1000rnds of factory loaded 300blk going for these days?
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Lol, probably $1000. Still cheaper than 450 Bushmaster ;)
I reload for about the same cost as Norinco 5.56 but get ammo that shoots sub moa from 2 of my non restricted 300BLK rifles. With some more time I'm sure my 300BLK AR will be doing the same thing. I've been concentrating on load development for the non restricted rifles lately so I can use one of them for a deer this season. I could load for less if I used cheap FMJ bullets but I use V-max and A-max for a lot of my ammo.

Nothing is as cheap as x39 surplus but it's also junk you can't do anything with other than ring gongs and pop cans with, and it sounds like more and more ranges are banning FMJ, plus I just learned one of our eastern provinces won't let you use it on crown either so is x39 really that great?


Redleaf, if I was in the buisness of making conversions I would want to be on the leading edge using modern versatile cartridges not a cartridge developed in the early 40's that still has virtually no bullet choice options, and since the 300BLK uses the same bolt as the 223 it is also a cheaper conversion which will be more reliable as well since unless there is a factory option to buy a bolt the machining process to open up the bolt face weakens the 223 bolt which leads to failures.
Firearms designed to shoot x39 are fine and are reliable but converting a modern 5.56 black rifle that uses STANAG magazines is not a great platform for a x39 conversion.
 
Again, I agree with you. Most of us are happy with minute of man accuracy and shooting a lot per session.

My intended use for 7.62X39 is banging steel. Having a modern, easy to clean, ergonomic rifle compatible with one of the worlds largest stockpiles of ammo makes sense.

To go even further off topic I'd love a 5.45X39 conversion if our big ammo distributors would start bringing that surplus in.

Anyways, best of luck with the 300 conversion.
 
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