300 Blackout Tavor

cr5 said:
Lol, probably $1000. Still cheaper than 450 Bushmaster ;)
I reload for about the same cost as Norinco 5.56 but get ammo that shoots sub moa from 2 of my non restricted 300BLK rifles. With some more time I'm sure my 300BLK AR will be doing the same thing. I've been concentrating on load development for the non restricted rifles lately so I can use one of them for a deer this season. I could load for less if I used cheap FMJ bullets but I use V-max and A-max for a lot of my ammo.
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You cant really be serious if you are trying to compare 450 to 300blk, the performance and uses is on a whole other level.

Nothing is as cheap as x39 surplus but it's also junk you can't do anything with other than ring gongs and pop cans with, and it sounds like more and more ranges are banning FMJ, plus I just learned one of our eastern provinces won't let you use it on crown either so is x39 really that great?
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just waiting for a scope mount and I am going to do some accuracy testing with the DA hollow points for accuracy in my bolt gun. If it tests well then I cant see an issue with it and at $250 per 1000rnds it is by far the cheapest.

Redleaf, if I was in the buisness of making conversions I would want to be on the leading edge using modern versatile cartridges not a cartridge developed in the early 40's that still has virtually no bullet choice options, and since the 300BLK uses the same bolt as the 223 it is also a cheaper conversion which will be more reliable as well since unless there is a factory option to buy a bolt the machining process to open up the bolt face weakens the 223 bolt which leads to failures.
Firearms designed to shoot x39 are fine and are reliable but converting a modern 5.56 black rifle that uses STANAG magazines is not a great platform for a x39 conversion.
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I agree with the mag problem, AK mags are the best resolution but still need it in a NR platform.
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HerronArms said:
I am not opposed to making 5.56 barrels but I have two issues first is the lack of availability for barrel extensions and gasblocks, second is the fact that North Sylva may decide next week to bring in some factory barrels quicker and/or cheaper than I can make them and I would be sitting on a capital investment that suddenly wasn't selling so fast.
The first I have some control on but the second I don't
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Check back to the thread again. NS just said that IWI has zero interest in producing barrels for canadians at this time.
 
Brian46 said:
You cant really be serious if you are trying to compare 450 to 300blk, the performance and uses is on a whole other level.
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There is more to a cartridge than just knock down power.

Sure, the 450 Bushmaster has way more stopping power but if I'm going bear or moose hunting I'll just take a more suitable rifle out of my safe like my 45-70 or my 338 Lapua.
For every day shooting the 450 Bushmaster is a poor choice. The cost of ammo is insane if you don't handload, and the recoil and punishment the firearm takes is unnecessary. Remember, these rifles were designed to run 223, it would be the same as putting a Corvette motor in your civic, fun in the beginning but it just starts breaking everything around it.
The 450 is a great cartridge and I wouldn't mind building a conversion for my ACR just for hunting season but it isn't something I would want in a rifle like this full time. I like to shoot my rifles regularly and the 450 will probably end up breaking the rifle after a couple thousand rounds.
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cr5 said:
There is more to a cartridge than just knock down power.

Sure, the 450 Bushmaster has way more stopping power but if I'm going bear or moose hunting I'll just take a more suitable rifle out of my safe like my 45-70 or my 338 Lapua.
For every day shooting the 450 Bushmaster is a poor choice. The cost of ammo is insane if you don't handload, and the recoil and punishment the firearm takes is unnecessary. Remember, these rifles were designed to run 223, it would be the same as putting a Corvette motor in your civic, fun in the beginning but it just starts breaking everything around it.
The 450 is a great cartridge and I wouldn't mind building a conversion for my ACR just for hunting season but it isn't something I would want in a rifle like this full time. I like to shoot my rifles regularly and the 450 will probably end up breaking the rifle after a couple thousand rounds.
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I bought it so I can hunt full time with a brown rifle rather than switching firearms for each different game species. I have been stuck for a while wanting one do it all gun but with deer, elk and moose season all running at the same time and all in the same area I hunt, carrying a 300blk does not make sense.

If my intention was every day shooting I see your point, but I already have cheap plinkers for that.

I will let you know if and when it falls apart, but I doubt it will.
 
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Brian46 said:
cr5 said:
I bought it so I can hunt full time with a brown rifle rather than switching firearms for each different game species. I have been stuck for a while wanting one do it all gun but with deer, elk and moose season all running at the same time and all in the same area I hunt, carrying a 300blk does not make sense.

If my intention was every day shooting I see your point, but I already have cheap plinkers for that.

I will let you know if and when it falls apart, but I doubt it will.
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The only place I see problems with your conversion is the bolt, I worry about the same thing with my 6.8SPC conversion for mine. Removing material from the bolt face to make room for the larger case head may lead to future problems, time will tell.

I don't worry about a one rifle for all situations, I have 2 non restricted 300BLK, a 308, a 338, a 45-70, and a few other toys, If I think I may be hunting for more than just deer I simply go with overkill and take one of the others. As much as I like carrying my ACR in the bush hunting I know it's limitations and have no issues with carrying something if I need a little more power.
I still miss my RFB from time to time and have been tempted by a couple of the other 308 black options.
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onetwentyish said:
Check back to the thread again. NS just said that IWI has zero interest in producing barrels for canadians at this time.
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IWI have told us in an email that they would be unable to offer barrel extensions or gas blocks to us.
So it looks like I will have to have them made at a cost I am unsure of until I get some consultation.
 
cr5 said:
Also consider the already mediocre accuracy of the Tavor will be even worse switching to the x39 which other than with handloads has never been known for even decent accuracy in which case it will cost you the same as running 300BLK except there are virtually no bullet choices in .311.
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would tavor accuracy not improve from just the addition of a quality barrel, or is it something else that makes the tavor poor in the accuracy department?
 
Yes, it would be great for deer in thick brush. Easy to pack, but probably give some CO a panic attack.

Ian, I am still very interested in your conversion. An adjustable gas block would be amazing, not sure if that is possible with the Tavor design.
 
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