300 RUM vs 338 RUM
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Different guns make a difference! Don't get me wrong I love the Barnes bullets ( X-Fan ), however my personal fav in the 30 mags (and 30-06) is the 200 Partition because in my experiences it tears up the vitals better. My heavy barreled 300 Win shoots the 200 Partitions and Accubonds into less than 1 inch at 350 yards. At the same range using the 180 and 200 TSX the best I can do is around 3 inches....Still good enough accuracy, but I find the Noslers confidence inspiring at super long range.
I find it fascinating that 2 guys can have such different experiences with the same bullet! A month ago I wouldn't have believed the pinholes in my friend's bison. We are all here to contribute and I respect your opinions and experience.
As much as I like the 300 Ultra I would never pack it hunting for close quarters grizzly. On the other hand I would shoot a bear off an avalanche chute with one providing I had some sort of follow up rifle with me. Hunt the big bears long enough and you will have some hairy experiences. Ask anyone that has actually stepped up to bat.
I'm sorry, but as effective as the 300 Ultra is to say it kills better than the 300 win is just some Internet fantasy. That is like saying "my gun kills better when I load it hot'!
For those of you that believe this stuff let me ask you this. Does your 300 Ultra kill better or tear up any more vitals at 50 yards than it does at 300 ????
Different guns make a difference! Don't get me wrong I love the Barnes bullets ( X-Fan ), however my personal fav in the 30 mags (and 30-06) is the 200 Partition because in my experiences it tears up the vitals better. My heavy barreled 300 Win shoots the 200 Partitions and Accubonds into less than 1 inch at 350 yards. At the same range using the 180 and 200 TSX the best I can do is around 3 inches....Still good enough accuracy, but I find the Noslers confidence inspiring at super long range.
I find it fascinating that 2 guys can have such different experiences with the same bullet! A month ago I wouldn't have believed the pinholes in my friend's bison. We are all here to contribute and I respect your opinions and experience.
As much as I like the 300 Ultra I would never pack it hunting for close quarters grizzly. On the other hand I would shoot a bear off an avalanche chute with one providing I had some sort of follow up rifle with me. Hunt the big bears long enough and you will have some hairy experiences. Ask anyone that has actually stepped up to bat.
I'm sorry, but as effective as the 300 Ultra is to say it kills better than the 300 win is just some Internet fantasy. That is like saying "my gun kills better when I load it hot'!
For those of you that believe this stuff let me ask you this. Does your 300 Ultra kill better or tear up any more vitals at 50 yards than it does at 300 ????
More opinions on the partition.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1828085/page/1/fpart/1
For the record,I actually much prefer the accubond to the partition as far as accuracy is concerned.
As to the tsx and mrx,I find that in my rifles, the lighter weights actually maintain their accuracy better than the heavier weights, at longer ranges.
Apparently other people have great accuracy with the tsx as the link below shows.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1775983/page/1/fpart/4
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1828085/page/1/fpart/1
For the record,I actually much prefer the accubond to the partition as far as accuracy is concerned.
As to the tsx and mrx,I find that in my rifles, the lighter weights actually maintain their accuracy better than the heavier weights, at longer ranges.
Apparently other people have great accuracy with the tsx as the link below shows.
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1775983/page/1/fpart/4
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I have been shooting game with X bullets since they came out...I like em!
One thing my hunting budds and I have been finding is that the TSX is messier than the old style X. This is good in that more vitals are torn up and bad when you hit a shoulder square on. This year I squared a whitetails off side shoulder with a 225 TSX. To make the story short the off side shoulder was vaporized (as in gone).....Never seen anything like that before??? Probably a fluke thing (I hope).
Have you had any similar experiences? Did you ever shoot the old style X?
The TSX is one heck of a lot more accurate than the old style X. In my 338 and larger rifles the accuracy and consistency seems to hang around 3/4 minute...My budds factory 375 Ultra shoots the 300gr tsx into just under an inch at 200yds! I am waiting for my new 375 barrel and can't wait to see if I get the same results.
I am going to take a black bear this spring from a ridge that offers frequent (daily) sightings and some potentially very long shots. I will take one of my heavy tac guns and my intention is to try the Accubond. I have heard good things but I am curious as to how well this bullet will perform.
One thing my hunting budds and I have been finding is that the TSX is messier than the old style X. This is good in that more vitals are torn up and bad when you hit a shoulder square on. This year I squared a whitetails off side shoulder with a 225 TSX. To make the story short the off side shoulder was vaporized (as in gone).....Never seen anything like that before??? Probably a fluke thing (I hope).
Have you had any similar experiences? Did you ever shoot the old style X?
The TSX is one heck of a lot more accurate than the old style X. In my 338 and larger rifles the accuracy and consistency seems to hang around 3/4 minute...My budds factory 375 Ultra shoots the 300gr tsx into just under an inch at 200yds! I am waiting for my new 375 barrel and can't wait to see if I get the same results.
I am going to take a black bear this spring from a ridge that offers frequent (daily) sightings and some potentially very long shots. I will take one of my heavy tac guns and my intention is to try the Accubond. I have heard good things but I am curious as to how well this bullet will perform.
I didn't use the original x on game because they were not accurate in my rifles,and copper fouling was extreme.However a good friend used the x for years and although he was happy with them,they often shed petals.The tsx on the other hand is very accurate in my rifles,and in those of my hunting partners,expands more reliably at lower velocities,and seems much more resistant to shedding petals.
So far, I've only tried the TSX in one rifle, my .30-06, but it has impressed the hell out of me. I've shot it at ranges out to 300 yards, and it seems to perform like a match bullet in my rifle (168-grain TSX pushed by 64 grains of Vihtavuori N560). Last year it dropped a large muley buck in his tracks. I'd definitely like to try this bullet in other rifles, especially the new version with a plastic tip, which should make the bullet even better at longer ranges.
I tried the Accubond this year (180-grain out of my .300 Winchester Magnum at a chronographed 3,060). I shot a muley from a lasered 250 yards from a sharp downward angle (down and across a steep ravine). The bullet entered the spine from above and exited behind the shoulder on the left side of the animal. The surprising thing is that the entrance hole was 5-6 inches in diameter and ragged (no exaggeration) and the exit was only 1 inch in diameter, at most. Several of the vertebrae were simply gone. (I presume they were exploded into bone fragments which went everywhere, like shrapnel.) This leads me to believe that the front half of that bullet disintegrated immediately upon impact with the spine. This is a very fast opening bullet, like a Ballistic Tip. However, the rear part appears to have held together, as designed, and continued on.
The downside of this bullet is that it does appear to tear up more meat than a TSX. But, once again, the accuracy of this bullet seems comparable to a match bullet in my rifle.
I'm curious to hear how these bullets hold up on larger game at magnum speeds.
I tried the Accubond this year (180-grain out of my .300 Winchester Magnum at a chronographed 3,060). I shot a muley from a lasered 250 yards from a sharp downward angle (down and across a steep ravine). The bullet entered the spine from above and exited behind the shoulder on the left side of the animal. The surprising thing is that the entrance hole was 5-6 inches in diameter and ragged (no exaggeration) and the exit was only 1 inch in diameter, at most. Several of the vertebrae were simply gone. (I presume they were exploded into bone fragments which went everywhere, like shrapnel.) This leads me to believe that the front half of that bullet disintegrated immediately upon impact with the spine. This is a very fast opening bullet, like a Ballistic Tip. However, the rear part appears to have held together, as designed, and continued on.
The downside of this bullet is that it does appear to tear up more meat than a TSX. But, once again, the accuracy of this bullet seems comparable to a match bullet in my rifle.
I'm curious to hear how these bullets hold up on larger game at magnum speeds.
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I can't imagine losing more meat than I lost on this years whitetail (read my last post). No one else experienced this?
My hunting budd also noticed an increase in meat loss with the TSX (375 Ultra) but his rifle shoots so well (sub one inch at 200yds) that there is no way you will find him shooting anything else....I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.
My hunting budd also noticed an increase in meat loss with the TSX (375 Ultra) but his rifle shoots so well (sub one inch at 200yds) that there is no way you will find him shooting anything else....I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too.
My 300ultramags are built with fluted medium varmint contour barrels(.750" at the muzzle).The scoped and loaded weight runs just under 10lbs,about the same weight as my 300wby mark V,but the ultramags have more weight in the barrel,and balance much better as a result.The weatherby had a lighter barrel,but a heavier action,and suffered from much more muzzle lift when fired.
