300 savage

For 300 yard deer hunting either Savages do what they were designed for.Dead is dead in the right hands...............Harold.............I'm sure the old timers with the 44-40's thought the same about the velocity wingnuts with the new fangled 30-30
 
H4831 said:
That is not my thinking.
The 250 Savage was dubbed the 250-3000, because of its velocity. However, that 3,000 fps, is only with 87 grain bullets. The other common weight of bullet for it, the 100 grain, is only in the 2850 fps range.
The 243 has a great variety of bullet weights, from 55 to about 107 grains.
The 100 grain 243 bullet, with a better BC than the 250 Savage, leaves the muzzle about 250 fps faster than the 100 grain 250 Savage, in the 3100 fps range.
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I'm not sayin' that it's better than the 243, but there are several 250Savage loads out there that give 3000fps with 100gr bullets. This puts it clearly in the very same league as the 243.

If not for my 257Roberts, I'd have a 250Savage in a flash. If that got boring, I'd "AI" it.

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shortaction said:
....The 300sav has about 15% less recoil and that is quite noticeable for most shooters.....
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How did you come up with that? At equal pressures, the two cartridges are separated by less than a 2% MV difference (at most 50 fps), and that does not translate into a 15% difference in recoil - more like 6-8%.

Two more things about recoil:

- no-one can distinguish a difference of 8% recoil, especially at the light 308 recoil levels (i.e. 15-18 ft/lbs); and
- if it's too much recoil for you, there are many cures, such as reducing the MV of your loads, and using lighter bullets.

Handload? - load the 308 down a smidge.

Don't handload? you're in trouble with choice for the 300 Savage, and for the 308, you can choose from an enormous variety of bullet weights and velocities. There is even "low recoil" ammo available.
 
Andy,

nothing can be wrong with a corelockt in a 300 savage.

yes you have off the shelves better selection for 308 but guess what most of the hunters are taking ???!!! the little simple corelockt ???!!!! so if one is working in 308 i doubt any game will tell the difference beteween a 308 and a 300 savage ...!!!!
 
Andy said:
How did you come up with that? At equal pressures, the two cartridges are separated by less than a 2% MV difference (at most 50 fps), and that does not translate into a 15% difference in recoil - more like 6-8%.

I was referring to factory ammo - which is about 7% difference in MV which translates to about 15% difference in recoil.


Two more things about recoil:

- no-one can distinguish a difference of 8% recoil, especially at the light 308 recoil levels (i.e. 15-18 ft/lbs); and
- if it's too much recoil for you, there are many cures, such as reducing the MV of your loads, and using lighter bullets.

Handload? - load the 308 down a smidge.


Down to 300sav MV???

The 300sav, 35rem & 7mm-08rem all come in around the same recoil and I find I can shoot them all day at the bench but not so with the 308win. After about 30rounds with the 308win the pleasure in gone for me.


Don't handload? you're in trouble with choice for the 300 Savage, and for the 308, you can choose from an enormous variety of bullet weights and velocities. There is even "low recoil" ammo available.
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If the average hunter can't kill it with a 150gr or 180gr Winchester Power Point or Rem Core-lokt not sure premium ammo would help.

It's a moot point the 308win has taken the legs out from under the 300sav and it will never return to its position, but the 300sav is still a good all around cartridge and factory ammo is readily available. So it shouldn't be overlooked if the right deal comes along!
 
Never heard a dieing deer state, was that bullet going 2800 fps or was it 3100 fps.

Just shoot what your comfortable with and enjoy doing it.

Personally I have spent countless hours searching for wounded deer shot by friends using both the 308 and the 30/30,this doesn't lead me too believe those two calibers are no good,I believe the boys made poor shots is all.I use a 7mm mag and i have never had a deer take a step,i shoot them from a treestand in the neck and they fall instantly. Neck meat is mother in law meat anyways so no waste lol
 
'Boo said:
So which is it? Inferior or similar?
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Is a 9.80 second 100 metres run inferior to or similar to a 9.75?

I have stated facts and been met by emotion - aside from mentionning the very short for caliber neck on the 300 Savage, which is not conducive to optimum accuracy, there's nothing else to say.

There's no reason for the 300 Savage to exist, other than to be used in long obsolete guns (and for the occassional "nostalgia" chambering) and that's why it's obsolete - the 308 Winchester made that so.
 
The .300 Savage is a neat cartridge, but with the .308 having plentiful amounts of brass, a multitude of factory ammo options, and rifles abound, the only reason to go with a .300 Savage would be the nostalgia factor.

The .300 did what it was designed to do for more than 3 decades. Provide a powerful .30 caliber, short action cartridge, leading to the birth of the .308.
 
Andy said:
I have stated facts and been met by emotion - aside from mentionning the very short for caliber neck on the 300 Savage, which is not conducive to optimum accuracy, there's nothing else to say.
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Yes, the .300 Win Mag suffers from the same problem. :D
 
I think the .300 savage is a great little cartridge BUT (there's always a but :)) I'm having troubles getting mine to shoot well. I'll keep trying loads but I wonder if the short neck has something to do with it.
 
1899 said:
See my previous post - unless you are talking about factory ammo, in which case you are right. The .250 Savage will exceed 3000 fps with 100gr bullets, so it really gives up nothing in practical terms to the .243 Win - in fact the .243 requires about 15-20% more powder to reach the same velocity (3000fps).

And, as I mentioned earlier, for heavier game it does quite well with 115gr and 120gr bullets at 2700-2800fps; those heavier bullets are not an option with the .243 Win.
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I have no problem with someone who likes the .250 Savage. I don't have one but I do have a .257 Roberts, which I also like very much. I do have some problems with some velocity claims.

Looking at reloading data, the max shown on the Hogdon site is 2936 with a 100 grain bullet, the rest are in the 2800 fps range. 117 and 120 are well down into the 2500-2600 fps range. All of this provides for light recoil and 'efficiency', but not super high velocity. This doesn't mean the cartridge (and rifle, and shooter) cannot use it effectively, but it is not a super cartridge.

As for the Barnes site, it shows a maximum velocity for 100 grain bullets of 2832 fps with 100 grain bullets, not 3000.

Any cartridge can be loaded to higher than factory or reloading data specifications, but that doesn't mean it should be.

I don't dispute its light recoil, nor effectiveness as proven to some.
 
I am a bit of a "hound" for cartridges that may not be uber-popular any more, so when Remington brought out a M700 "Classic" in 300 Savage [2003], I latched on to one.
That was definitely no mistake.
Short neck aside, this is one of the most accurate production rifles I have ever owned,
Very catholic in it's tastes, it will shoot practically any 150 or 165 grain bullet sub-moa.
I load 45 grains of RL 15 behind the 150 Partition as a hunting load.
This chases the 308 Winchester hard, and I have had 3-shot groups as small as .040", with ½moa being about the average.
May not be a 308, but will do anything a 308 will do. [I've shot 2 deer and a moose with it so far]
Regards, Eagleye.
 
Al-Sway said:
I have no problem with someone who likes the .250 Savage. I don't have one but I do have a .257 Roberts, which I also like very much. I do have some problems with some velocity claims.

Looking at reloading data, the max shown on the Hogdon site is 2936 with a 100 grain bullet, the rest are in the 2800 fps range. 117 and 120 are well down into the 2500-2600 fps range. All of this provides for light recoil and 'efficiency', but not super high velocity. This doesn't mean the cartridge (and rifle, and shooter) cannot use it effectively, but it is not a super cartridge.

As for the Barnes site, it shows a maximum velocity for 100 grain bullets of 2832 fps with 100 grain bullets, not 3000.

Any cartridge can be loaded to higher than factory or reloading data specifications, but that doesn't mean it should be.

I don't dispute its light recoil, nor effectiveness as proven to some.
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I took the velocities right out of Barnes No.1; I also know there is one load in Nosler No.4 that shows the 120gr Partition at just under 2800fps.

I don't have the manual in front of me, but I believe it was AA2520 that gave some great numbers with the Barnes bullets. They don't show loads with that powder on their website.
 
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