I am buying a weatherby accumark in 300 weatherby! It is the first weatherby round that i've owned and was woundering what would be the best round to shoot out of it (ie Bullet weight powder ect) or are they basically the same as the 300 wm. Thanks for your time and brain power!
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Northman999
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Consider 180gr Nosler Partition. I have a friend who shoots only that in his 300 Weatherby, and it seems everybody I know who shoots 30 cals uses it in their rifles, from .308 win to 300 RUM. It may not be the ideal bullet for specialty situations, but it is an incredibly good all purpose bullet.
X2!! I might also suggest you also try the 200 Partition in that big 30. Regards, Eagleye.
The 200 Partition is one of the best 30 cal bullets ever made. The devastation on game must be seen to be believed...I honestly think it delivers 99% of the 338 Win's killing power.
I introduced a good friend to the 300 Win and the 200 Partition last year then he promptly introduce it to a moose. He and his hunting partner watched the blood spray from 270 yards away! Needless to say he was impressed.
The 200 Acubond is another phenomenal bullet with better long range capabilities than the Partition.
My box stock Sendero in 300Win would consistently put 3 shots into less than 1-1/4 inches at 350 yards with either bullet...So accuracy is just fine.
In my opinion 300mags are all about long range killing power and nothing reduces a 300Wby's long range power like a 180 grain bullet. The muzzle velocity is impressive, but 300 yards down range the aerodynamic 200's are in a completely different class.
As much as I like the X bullets I have never seen the long range accuracy of the other bullets mentioned. That said I would choose the TSX if I got drawn for bison or was hunting thick bush for Alaska-Yukon moose....I'm not talking about the little Prince George or Pink Mountain bulls.....
Do your homework!
I introduced a good friend to the 300 Win and the 200 Partition last year then he promptly introduce it to a moose. He and his hunting partner watched the blood spray from 270 yards away! Needless to say he was impressed.
The 200 Acubond is another phenomenal bullet with better long range capabilities than the Partition.
My box stock Sendero in 300Win would consistently put 3 shots into less than 1-1/4 inches at 350 yards with either bullet...So accuracy is just fine.
In my opinion 300mags are all about long range killing power and nothing reduces a 300Wby's long range power like a 180 grain bullet. The muzzle velocity is impressive, but 300 yards down range the aerodynamic 200's are in a completely different class.
As much as I like the X bullets I have never seen the long range accuracy of the other bullets mentioned. That said I would choose the TSX if I got drawn for bison or was hunting thick bush for Alaska-Yukon moose....I'm not talking about the little Prince George or Pink Mountain bulls.....
Do your homework!
180 grn X has a BC of .511
200 grn partition BC of .481
Adding in the 200+fps increase the 180 would have the upper hand at 300yards
By the way I shoot 180 grn X's on top of RL-25. I would reccomend staying with a copper bullet if you are planning on using max loads. I started with partitions but quickly found out that they were inconsistant at shorter ranges due to the high velocity. I had two fail to penetrait the offside rib cage of a deer and only fragments of the bullet were found. Both shots were around 60 yards with bullets leaving the muzzle at 3300+fps. I contacted Nosler and the tech guy told me it was caused by the high velocity and he had recieved other calls from people with 300 and 30-378 wby's with similar results. I went to the X bullet and the problem stopped. I know its a long range gun but when you are hunting you don't get to pick your shots to often hence the reccomendation of the copper bullet.
Good luck
I shot a lot of stuff over the years with the 300Wby. Wolves to deer to bear to moose through mountain goats and bison with different bullets. Whether it was the 165XLC at 3370 fps, the 180 failsafe or others at 3150, or the 200 NP or A-Frame at 3050, I couldn't see the slightest bit of difference in how animals large or small died. With anything resembling decent shot placement they just tipped over.
I knew the difference, and my chronograph knew the difference, but the animals couldn't tell the difference!
Providing you select a bullet suited to the velocity (example the X bullet if using a 165 grainer at 3350+ fps) they'll work fine. On principle I think a heavier bullet is a better way to go for big game, but I put the 165'er through two big moose. And the whole idea behind a heavier bullet is increased penetration, right? But if a big moose won't stop a 165 grain premium bullet, why go with something heavier?
That's not getting hung up over a ballistics program or minutiae. In the field, where it counts, there's very little difference.
Standard 7828 is a good powder, but I did my 300Wby stuff 7-15 years ago. For 165 grain bullets, I found H4831 and RL22 the best. For 180's 7828 worked great, but so did 90 grains of H1000. With the 200 grainers, I used 7828.
This was all the old IMR stuff, the SSC wasn't on the market then. I find I've tried to simplify the last few years instead of testing every bullet on the market. If I was loading for a 300Wby today, I'd load up a 180TSX over whichever temperature insensitive powder it liked and gave me 3150 fps (H4831 Extreme, Ramshot Magnum, etc.), and call it good.
Actually, that's not quite true. I'd have a second load with the cheapest 180 grain bullet I could find (think Speer or Hornady SP), slightly reduced with H4350 or similar, for a practice load.
I knew the difference, and my chronograph knew the difference, but the animals couldn't tell the difference!
Providing you select a bullet suited to the velocity (example the X bullet if using a 165 grainer at 3350+ fps) they'll work fine. On principle I think a heavier bullet is a better way to go for big game, but I put the 165'er through two big moose. And the whole idea behind a heavier bullet is increased penetration, right? But if a big moose won't stop a 165 grain premium bullet, why go with something heavier?
That's not getting hung up over a ballistics program or minutiae. In the field, where it counts, there's very little difference.
Standard 7828 is a good powder, but I did my 300Wby stuff 7-15 years ago. For 165 grain bullets, I found H4831 and RL22 the best. For 180's 7828 worked great, but so did 90 grains of H1000. With the 200 grainers, I used 7828.
This was all the old IMR stuff, the SSC wasn't on the market then. I find I've tried to simplify the last few years instead of testing every bullet on the market. If I was loading for a 300Wby today, I'd load up a 180TSX over whichever temperature insensitive powder it liked and gave me 3150 fps (H4831 Extreme, Ramshot Magnum, etc.), and call it good.
Actually, that's not quite true. I'd have a second load with the cheapest 180 grain bullet I could find (think Speer or Hornady SP), slightly reduced with H4350 or similar, for a practice load.
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Chopperdoctor
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Mine prints 3/4", 5 shot groups at 100 yards, with Federal Premium Safari Grade 180 grn Nosler Partitions. I also shot a big bull moose at about 100 yards a few years ago, with a Remington 200 grn Swift A-frame factory load. The old bugger dropped like a sack of hammers. Went in one side, took out both lungs and a piece of heart, and stopped just under the hide at the far side. Mushroomed beautifully and only lost about 12 grns of mass on it's trip through. Can't ask for much more than that.
Two friends have used 300 Weatherbys for decades....nothing else.
One chap is on his second barrel, and these guys wouldn't consider anything else....definitely has me thinking about my next purchase...
One chap is on his second barrel, and these guys wouldn't consider anything else....definitely has me thinking about my next purchase...
Shoot them both out to 400 yards and tell me which one drops further. Barnes grossly exaggerates their ballistic coefficients. The 200 Accubond will leave the TSX in the dust.
I have to call you on your second comment.
Nosler Partitions have been around since the 1950's and have been the gold standard factory load in the 300Wby for almost as long. I have been killing game with high velocity bullets for 30 years and I have never had a Partition fail to penetrate in the extreme...Nose blow off yes, but penetration is never an issue with the Partition.
The Nosler Partition is the standard by which all experienced riflemen judge all other bullets.
Yes, I agree the 180 TSX is a good all around bullet from 300 yards in, but if we are shooting out to around 300yds or less why not just use a 30-06?
My serious 300 WBY days were way back when Barnes bullets were just starting to come out. I used the 200 Nosler at 3100. Killed like lightning, never recovered any. My brother still uses his, with 180 Xs. Seems to work just fine too.
I use the 200 gr Partition in mine. FWIW. - dan
Call me all you want! I shot the deer and saw the absense of an exit hole, Yes the deer was very dead but not what I was expecting out of a Partition.
I don't need a history lesson on the partition bulllet I have used them exclusively in my rifles except the 300wby.
Regards
I have a 30 inch barreled 30-416R improved and have shot a couple of deer and one nice sized black bear with the 150gr Partition moving at just under 3800fps. All of the shots were close and all of them exited the animal....Which will be why I called you on your comment.
Every now and then Partitions don't exit(usually 7mm or smaller), but instead rip laps around the inside of the chest cavity tearing the crap out of everything...Just like a snail drum.
Perhaps this is what you experienced?
Every now and then Partitions don't exit(usually 7mm or smaller), but instead rip laps around the inside of the chest cavity tearing the crap out of everything...Just like a snail drum.
Perhaps this is what you experienced?
The exit side rib cage had tiny copper jacket fragments in it but that was the only part of the bullet I could find after searching through the pulp inside the chest cavity. This leads me to believe the bullet fragmented mid chest and did not exit. I have shot them length wise through a moose in a .338 and they exited as usuall the 300 was a differnt story. I guess it is possible I got a bad batch of bullets?
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When the Partition was developed it was the best game bullet available period. It works and works well, there is no question. But since the 1940s other designs have surpassed the Partition from the standpoint of reliability. For big game, I prefer the idea of a bullet that retains as close to 100% of its original weight as possible, over a bullet that is designed to shed a percentage of its weight. At any given velocity, a heavier bullet penetrates deeper than a lighter one, and I consider an exit wound to be desirable. The best bullets available today are those that have bonded lead cores, solid shanks and pure lead cores or mono-metal bullets from Barnes or GS Custom. I would choose the heaviest bullet available that gives you the trajectory you require for your style of hunting, which more often than not is a 200 grs. Heavy bullets typically have lower impact velocities, and a bullet, particularly a lead core bullet, with a lower impact velocity has a better chance of performing without failure.
Have you ever heard of the rear core fragmenting Boomer?
I have seen them flattened (lengthwise) by a spine or heavy bone impacts, but I have never seen or heard of the rear core come apart.
When the going gets really tough I agree with Boomer that there are better selections than the Partition.
Occasionally if you combine high velocity together with animals with thick, dense, or wet fur (Bison or big wet bears) the initial impact can explode the front core before the bullet gets to the vitals. The end result is an animal with a bullet sized hole in its vitals...Been there done that and it is an experience I don't care to repeat.
Deer, black bear, Canadian moose, and elk are not near tough enough to do that....At least in my experience.
I have seen them flattened (lengthwise) by a spine or heavy bone impacts, but I have never seen or heard of the rear core come apart.
When the going gets really tough I agree with Boomer that there are better selections than the Partition.
Occasionally if you combine high velocity together with animals with thick, dense, or wet fur (Bison or big wet bears) the initial impact can explode the front core before the bullet gets to the vitals. The end result is an animal with a bullet sized hole in its vitals...Been there done that and it is an experience I don't care to repeat.
Deer, black bear, Canadian moose, and elk are not near tough enough to do that....At least in my experience.
