300 win mag - detuned factory rounds ?

Kevin32 said:
Depends on what you're hunting and in what terrain.

You don't need to be a crack shot to hit an elk in the vitals at 500 if you know your math and have time to position yourself.
If you come upon that scenario, that is not an ethical shot with a .308 win. It is an ethical shot with a .300 win mag.

So yes there are some scenarios that call for a magnum.
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Shooting at an elk at 500 is ethical with a 300 win mag, but not with a 308 win. Lol. Alright then.

A .308 bullet impacting at about 1900fps isn’t lethal. But that same bullet impacting at 2150fps is lethal.
This is the definition of the overconfidence people get when you put the word magnum in a cartridge.

Additionally, shooting a big game animal at 500 under stress in a hunting situation is not an easy task, and I would not recommend portraying it as such.
 
Foothiller, you don't need to justify your reasons for your choice in purchasing any firearm caliber/cartridge.
You asked a reasonable question. You have one of the most capable and versatile cartridges by a long shot.
The AB3 is an excellent rifle for the price IMO and the cartridge is capable of taking any game in Canada depending on bullet.
I applaud your ethics. Cheers
BTW I did a little research on factory ammo and am surprised at how many reduced recoil choices there are. I'm sure your local supply store will help you without the BS that's been posted in this thread.
 
Clayton Bigsby said:
Shooting at an elk at 500 is ethical with a 300 win mag, but not with a 308 win. Lol. Alright then.

A .308 bullet impacting at about 1900fps isn’t lethal. But that same bullet impacting at 2150fps is lethal.
This is the definition of the overconfidence people get when you put the word magnum in a cartridge.

Additionally, shooting a big game animal at 500 under stress in a hunting situation is not an easy task, and I would not recommend portraying it as such.
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I shoot 165gr accubonds in both.
.308 falls below 1700fps at 500 and 1000ftlb. Bullet won't expand and energy levels are questionable for big game. Perfect shot will still kill. Different bullets may give more range.
.300 win mag with same bullet has 2000fps and 1500ftlb at 500y. Bullet will easily expand and energy levels are sufficient even if shots not perfect. Not to mention it shoots straighter if your distance or calculations are a little off.

Elk are often seen in big herds from far far away. A .300 win mag gives you a couple hundred extra yards that can make or break a hunting trip.
 
Kevin32 said:
I shoot 165gr accubonds in both.
.308 falls below 1700fps at 500 and 1000ftlb. Bullet won't expand and energy levels are questionable for big game. Perfect shot will still kill. Different bullets may give more range.
.300 win mag with same bullet has 2000fps and 1500ftlb at 500y. Bullet will easily expand and energy levels are sufficient even if shots not perfect. Not to mention it shoots straighter if your distance or calculations are a little off.

Elk are often seen in big herds from far far away. A .300 win mag gives you a couple hundred extra yards that can make or break a hunting trip.
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I agree with the flatter shooting and wind bucking abilities. I usually shoot a 6.5 prc or 270 win for those exact reasons.

But if I want to shoot at long ranges, an accubond isn’t ideal in any caliber. Shoot a Berger, eld, ablr etc and you’ll be more destructive at all ranges.
I shot bonded for the last decade out of standard and magnum cartridges. But this year switched to non bonded rapidly expanding/fragmenting bullets from standard calibers, and personally field dressed and autopsy’d 8 impacts with these bullets, and was amazed at how destructive they were. I’ll never go back to bonded or copper.
 
Kevin32 said:
I shoot 165gr accubonds in both.
.308 falls below 1700fps at 500 and 1000ftlb. Bullet won't expand and energy levels are questionable for big game. Perfect shot will still kill. Different bullets may give more range.
.300 win mag with same bullet has 2000fps and 1500ftlb at 500y. Bullet will easily expand and energy levels are sufficient even if shots not perfect. Not to mention it shoots straighter if your distance or calculations are a little off.

Elk are often seen in big herds from far far away. A .300 win mag gives you a couple hundred extra yards that can make or break a hunting trip.
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Realistically I don't think 300-ish fps is going to make a huge difference. It makes a difference in foot/pounds, but I believe it's not a great measure of killing power. I'd be surprised if an Accubond didn't perform at 1700 fps still in 30 cal; but you'd know better than I about on game performance.

A magnum does make a difference though. I'd personally load the magnum with a heavier bullet.
 
Kevin32 said:
I shoot 165gr accubonds in both.
.308 falls below 1700fps at 500 and 1000ftlb. Bullet won't expand and energy levels are questionable for big game. Perfect shot will still kill. Different bullets may give more range.
.300 win mag with same bullet has 2000fps and 1500ftlb at 500y. Bullet will easily expand and energy levels are sufficient even if shots not perfect. Not to mention it shoots straighter if your distance or calculations are a little off.

Elk are often seen in big herds from far far away. A .300 win mag gives you a couple hundred extra yards that can make or break a hunting trip.
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Something seems to be happening with this thread...I mean besides the impotent waving of fists at a monitor. 😂

Part of our exchange disappeared, but I looked up the Accubond, and according to Nosler, you're right about the impact speed being a bit low.

I thought the AB opened up more readily at low speeds. And some guys say at any range; but they could be launching them a little quicker also.
 
There was a few posts that disappeared that had nothing to do with that debacle, where there was a normal exchange of ideas.

Totally agree with you, OkayShooter. It's really weird to me that someone could say the things he'd never say FTF (habitually!), and not get banned.

Seen a lot of members with stellar trade ratings, and never seen a bad exchange get banned.
 
There seems to be quite a bit of animosity in this thread. To the original poster, unless you find some old Remington reduced ammo, you will have a hard time finding anything like you are looking for.
The comments on getting someone to reload for you if you don't yourself, is probably the best start. Yes a good recoil pad will make a huge difference, and so would a brake, but if your muzzle isn't already threaded, it becomes a pain.
Everyone hating the poster for having a 300win mag and wanting reduced loads is awfully rude. You don't know his exact situation, and if you do end up reloading it's a great choice for a single rifle that does it all.
There is quite a bit of reload information for reduced loads, even in the Hodgdon website for 150 grain bullets. H4895 or Accurate 5744 are the best choice for a good clean burn and accuracy, rather than running a really slow powder. Trail boss as stated is a excellent powder, and would be for very reduced loads that are extremely fun to shoot.
Wish you the best of luck on finding factory reduced loads or having someone make some for you. The more trigger time you get behind the rifle with the reduced loads you will be able to work your way up. And if you are still struggling with recoil in the future and want a good ethical hunting round that still expands down to low velocities you can always run some round designed for the 300 blackout in it.
The 120 Barnes tac-tx is a great round for the win mag, both at full velocity and extremely reduced. And for larger game you could always run the heavier 190 or 210 nosler accubond long range bullets at reduced loads, while still maintaining great performance on game.
 
OkayShooter said:
It was more Hippy personal insulting and attacks.

But still firm believer of the limb saver shoulder pads, as I don't care of people think I'm a pussy. Allows me to enjoy it without beating myself up.
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Yup!!

A good pad does wonders. I wonder if he is mainly trying to tame the recoil off the bench? The felt recoil off the bench or prone is about 3x what it'd be standing or off a casual rest for myself.

Have used a lead sled before, but I also get concerned about breaking a stock with too much weight in it.

Hey, tried PMing you. I think your inbox is full.
 
Denver Steve said:
There seems to be quite a bit of animosity in this thread. To the original poster, unless you find some old Remington reduced ammo, you will have a hard time finding anything like you are looking for.
The comments on getting someone to reload for you if you don't yourself, is probably the best start. Yes a good recoil pad will make a huge difference, and so would a brake, but if your muzzle isn't already threaded, it becomes a pain.
Everyone hating the poster for having a 300win mag and wanting reduced loads is awfully rude. You don't know his exact situation, and if you do end up reloading it's a great choice for a single rifle that does it all.
There is quite a bit of reload information for reduced loads, even in the Hodgdon website for 150 grain bullets. H4895 or Accurate 5744 are the best choice for a good clean burn and accuracy, rather than running a really slow powder. Trail boss as stated is a excellent powder, and would be for very reduced loads that are extremely fun to shoot.
Wish you the best of luck on finding factory reduced loads or having someone make some for you. The more trigger time you get behind the rifle with the reduced loads you will be able to work your way up. And if you are still struggling with recoil in the future and want a good ethical hunting round that still expands down to low velocities you can always run some round designed for the 300 blackout in it.
The 120 Barnes tac-tx is a great round for the win mag, both at full velocity and extremely reduced. And for larger game you could always run the heavier 190 or 210 nosler accubond long range bullets at reduced loads, while still maintaining great performance on game.
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Kind of strange that people would get on his case for that. I've never seen the same kind of response for loading down the 45-70 or pistol rounds for some reason.

Nothing wrong with loading some lighter loads for practice and lighter game. You don't get proficient without shooting your big rifles. Sounds like the OP likes the versatility of being able to have the option of having full power rounds for heavy game. The rest of the time, he'll be saving brass life, and doing a lot more shooting than he would otherwise with it.
 
tactical lever said:
Yup!!

A good pad does wonders. I wonder if he is mainly trying to tame the recoil off the bench? The felt recoil off the bench or prone is about 3x what it'd be standing or off a casual rest for myself.

Have used a lead sled before, but I also get concerned about breaking a stock with too much weight in it.

Hey, tried PMing you. I think your inbox is full.
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Well, I just went with the shoulder to save me having to buy a PAD for every gun. I mean hunting it probably wouldn't be an issue with multiple clothing layers, also the adrenalin. But if you are zeroing or load developing you are probably going to shoot more, hence feel it more. Also, a lot of shooting range benches are low, so they force you to hunch over, so the gun kicks up. I got a front rest on a tripod (Vanguard Porta Rest) that allows me to lift the gun up higher, so I can sit up straighter and square up to the gun.

Yeah, my team membership expired so waiting on the renewal. I'm 400 messages over the 500 limit.
 
tactical lever said:
Kind of strange that people would get on his case for that. I've never seen the same kind of response for loading down the 45-70 or pistol rounds for some reason.
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It’s been discussed/argued on various Cals before. Some of those old threads were just as bad as this one or worse… a clean-up here on aisles (pages) #3 & 4 was required.

45-70 comment

Nope, people just sell them and this is the reason why you see a lot of 45-70’s for sale, is of their recoil with factory avail ammo. Lots of folk jumped on the 45-70 bandwagon after the Jurassic Park movie not realizing what the round was actually like both cost and recoil wise.

Ruger laughed all the way to the bank and thanks you all very much 🤣
 
tactical lever said:
Kind of strange that people would get on his case for that. I've never seen the same kind of response for loading down the 45-70 or pistol rounds for some reason.
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45-70 doesn't have a lower power alternative that is widely available. I can't think of a cartridge that could be easily compared to 45-70 like 308win and 30-06 can be compared to 300win mag.

45-70 is already on the low end of power for 45cal rifles, especially if you discount cartridges like 450bushmaster that use 452cal bullets not 458cal bullets. 300win mag is not on the low end of 30cal rifles.
 
Suther said:
45-70 doesn't have a lower power alternative that is widely available. I can't think of a cartridge that could be easily compared to 45-70 like 308win and 30-06 can be compared to 300win mag.

45-70 is already on the low end of power for 45cal rifles, especially if you discount cartridges like 450bushmaster that use 452cal bullets not 458cal bullets. 300win mag is not on the low end of 30cal rifles.
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.44 Magnum, or .45 Colt works fine. .429 or .452 vs. .458. What difference does a few thousandths make if you just want to shoot light loads anyway?

I call my Blackhawk a 3/4 45-70, as I'm shooting 300 gr. as fast as the 400 gr. Remington factory load for 45-70.

That Remington 400 gr. load is actually very mild. I've passed it off young, small framed gal, and she had no issue with the recoil.
 
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