300 win mag - detuned factory rounds ?

[Suther]

.44 Magnum, or .45 Colt works fine. .429 or .452 vs. .458. What difference does a few thousandths make if you just want to shoot light loads anyway?

I call my Blackhawk a 3/4 45-70, as I'm shooting 300 gr. as fast as the 400 gr. Remington factory load for 45-70.

That Remington 400 gr. load is actually very mild. I've passed it off young, small framed gal, and she had no issue with the recoil.

44mag and 45colt are taking things too far IMO. From a big game hunting perspective where the vast majority of hunters shouldn't be shooting past 400yds the difference between a 308win and a 300win mag is not huge. 300wm has a good deal more energy, but the 308 has plenty of energy to get the job done.

The difference between a 45-70 and a 44mag is quite significant though, especially at medium ranges - say, beyond 100yds - where the pistol calibers you mention fall off fast. 44mag falls below 1000ft/lb of energy around 100yds, 45-70 can push that to 300yds+.


I agree the Remington "trapdoor safe" load is quite mild. But I strongly doubt THAT is what people are shying away from in their 45-70s when they're looking for "low recoil" options.

 

[tactical lever]

44mag and 45colt are taking things too far IMO. From a big game hunting perspective where the vast majority of hunters shouldn't be shooting past 400yds the difference between a 308win and a 300win mag is not huge. The difference between a 45-70 and a 44mag is quite significant though, especially at medium ranges - say, beyond 100yds.


I agree the Remington "trapdoor safe" load is quite mild. But I strongly doubt THAT is what people are shying away from in their 45-70s when they're looking for "low recoil" options.

Why too far? Lots of big game been taken with .44 Mag. Even elephant with a revolver.

Out of a 20" barrel, a 240 gr. will be hitting around 1600 fps.

 

[Grizzlypeg]

Just before rifle season I took my Sako A7 in 300WSM to the range (and that's a fairly light rifle), and I wore my hunting parka. Honestly didn't feel a thing with each shot. In a t shirt it rocks me, but in a parka, nothing. Maybe its just me, but I really don't want a muzzle brake on a hunting rifle. I don't want to wear ear protection while I hunt.

 

[Suther]

Why too far? Lots of big game been taken with .44 Mag. Even elephant with a revolver.

Out of a 20" barrel, a 240 gr. will be hitting around 1600 fps.

Sure, lots of big game have been taken with 44mag. But at what sort of ranges?

Compared to 45-70, the 44mag has a very clear disadvantage, much moreso than the 308win does compared to 300win mag. With the 300win mag the extra energy/velocity it has isn't easily taken advantage of by the average hunter who shouldn't be shooting past 300-400yds, whereas the extra power of the 45-70 can be taken advantage of within normal hunting ranges by virtually anyone.

To me, comparing 45-70 to 44mag is closer to comparing 308win to 30 carbine than 300win mag to 308win. I have no issues with using 44mag for hunting, I hear good things from many people that have used 'em, I just think the difference between 45-70 and 44mag is much more significant than the difference between 308win and 300wm.

Just before rifle season I took my Sako A7 in 300WSM to the range (and that's a fairly light rifle), and I wore my hunting parka. Honestly didn't feel a thing with each shot. In a t shirt it rocks me, but in a parka, nothing. Maybe its just me, but I really don't want a muzzle brake on a hunting rifle. I don't want to wear ear protection while I hunt.

Brake or no, you're gonna damage your hearing without ear pro. I always carry those ear-plugs-on-a-rope around my neck, that way as long as I have more than a few seconds to react I can pop my plugs in before taking the shot.

 

[bluelynx]

The gun does not fit you.

 

[tactical lever]

Sure, lots of big game have been taken with 44mag. But at what sort of ranges?

Compared to 45-70, the 44mag has a very clear disadvantage, much moreso than the 308win does compared to 300win mag. With the 300win mag the extra energy/velocity it has isn't easily taken advantage of by the average hunter who shouldn't be shooting past 300-400yds, whereas the extra power of the 45-70 can be taken advantage of within normal hunting ranges by virtually anyone.

To me, comparing 45-70 to 44mag is closer to comparing 308win to 30 carbine than 300win mag to 308win. I have no issues with using 44mag for hunting, I hear good things from many people that have used 'em, I just think the difference between 45-70 and 44mag is much more significant than the difference between 308win and 300wm.




Brake or no, you're gonna damage your hearing without ear pro. I always carry those ear-plugs-on-a-rope around my neck, that way as long as I have more than a few seconds to react I can pop my plugs in before taking the shot.

I think Federal has a load that's a 270, at over 1600 fps for the .44 Mag. Sighted in for 100, it's only about 1.5" high at 50 and about 6" low at 150. Still going over 1200 fps, and probably go through a couple deer lined up.

 

[franktank]

Some really stupid ideas.
You wanted a hunting rifle you could take anything with, but instead you have a rifle you can't hit anything with.
If you don't know how a muzzle brake attaches I suggest you put the rifles away and do some reading.
If you bought a 300wm as your first rifle you deserve to take a loss. Sell it, buy a .243 and practice. Honestly? It's folks like you that I don't like being anywhere near me while I'm hunting. I pray you are in a different WMU.
SELL THE RIFLE.
Buy a 243.
After the flinch I know you have already developed I suggest you go with a .22
Otherwise I'll wait for your next thread on "eye relief"

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