300 wm recoil

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I'd like some honest replies as we are all different. I let several buddies empty some factory loads so I could get ww brass. I've Never felt the 300 wm lived up to the recoil hype. I'm a shotgunner mostly. Maybe shooting hundreds of rounds back to back desensitized me. However my buddies who had never fired a 300 wm had mixed reactions. Shooting standing first then prone. All found prone to kick harder obviously but the reactions went from "Hell ya give me another Shot" to "Holy #### that kicks Hard" while others simply said "Yeah that's more than my 270 or 308 but not near what I was expecting"
I shot 20 rounds prone and have a slight mark with several red dots to show for it but no tenderness and no flinch.
I think the 300 wm is totally masterable (40 shots a day)what do you think?


Is the 300 wm (savage 111 - 180 gr win power points in this case) too much recoil for you? If not where do you draw the line?
 
40 rounds a day for a shooter with a calm mind is no problem.

The biggest factor will be weight of the rifle +\- brake. If it's 14lbs with the scope, your laughing!!! If it's a Sako carbon light that comes in at 6lbs with a scope - oh dear!!!

It really is a mind game. I tell myself all the time "millions of rounds of .338LM have been fired by guys that are smaller and less tough than you"....but my heart still races a bit.....

If the little mark/bruise bugs you get a recoil pad shirt. I have one that I bought for trap and love it. I get mocked for it, but I don't give a sh!t. I've done enough manly things in my life, and I wear old spice sometimes - I'm comfortable in my manhood.
 
It all depends on weight of rifle, load and bullet weight. I expected more than I felt, Rem 700 BDL Wood Stock. Factory ammo, 180 Grain Projectile.

Lightweight rifles will kick harder. I shot a lightweight 7MM RM rifle and a Heavy .375 H&H and recoil was similar.

Some have better shooting stance than others, for standing and leaning into the rifle, felt recoil is reduced immensely.

Prone is a different story...
 
I haven't fired that much 300WM but I agree, The felt recoil is greatly affected by the rifle being used.
I owned a T3 in 300WM that was not pleasant too shoot at all, however the M700 I had felt no worse than a lightweight 30-06. My BIL's M70 in 338wm has a lighter felt recoil than that T3 did.
 
I have an M77 in 300wm that has always kicked pretty good. You know, that slap like getting hit with a fast ball. From a shooting bench in a t shirt it was a bit much. Then a couple weeks ago I decided to remove the red hockey puck butt plate and put a recoil pad on it. WOW! What a difference. I was shooting 220 gn bullets the other day and it was quite enjoyable. I was expecting it to help but it totally changed the gun. There are many factors that effect "felt recoil".
 
.300 mag is no slouch, but it is certainly not the worst out there for recoil. There will always be something that kicks harder. It is such a combination of stock shape and rifle weight, etc. Every person deals with recoil differently.
 
Hand em a Kimber Mountain Ascent long action rebarreled to 300 wm and tell em to suck it up like real men .... LOL
 
A buddy bought a TULA in 300 Win Mag a few years back, and let me tell you, that was no maidens' caress!

However, I own several 308 Norma Mags [ballistically identical to the 300 Win Mag], all weigh in at 8-9 lbs,
and none are particularly difficult to handle on the bench or prone.

I also own a bit lighter 338 Win Mag, and a similar weight 8mm Rem Mag, and they come back noticeably
harder and the 8mm is "quicker" as well.

Nevertheless, recoil is something you can get used to. The fact that one can shoot very decent groups with
heavier recoiling rifles indicates the ability to handle them. Regards, Dave.
 
Much of recoil is perception. Speed, loudness and jump all play a part. I know people who consider a .300 a nice little pop gun and others that think it's brutal. Still others would rather shoot . 375. To varying degrees they are all right, for themselves.

That's the perception side. The reality side is a 300 of more or less normal weight can barely bounce on a sandbag. A shooter can stop
it dead in its tracks, or free-recoil it as he chooses. Either way it's over in an instant.By contrast, a gun with real recoil is coming back whether you like it or not. The question becomes whether you can ride it out or are going to get stomped by it.
 
My nice 143 lbs handles it with out to much of a problem 300 win savage. I wasn't to shure when she got it so I had her practice on a 22 semi, got her to squeeze the trigger and breathe at the right time. Then had her dry fire and work the action a dozen or so times. She was able to keep the groups under six inch prone. Surprised the the H out of me she never really shot much of anything before. Didn't get a dear that fall but did get a Turkey ( 12 ga ).:sniper:
 
I wish I had the $ for 40 shots of 300 wm a day even being a reloader. A 300 wm in synthetic stock is about the edge of my comfort level where I can still fully concentrate and forget about the shot. Anything more and I find that front post blurring out an myself anticipating. Could be that the only time ive shot anything larger it was only a test drive and just for kicks. Litteraly. Like dogleg said, a lot of it is about perception. I find I shoot much better at the range when I double up my ear pros, I find it really helps as so much of the shot cycle is mental. Less noise=less kick. Mind over matter I guess.
 
Done a fair bit of shooting with 300 WMs, my go-to rifle is a Vanguard.

Not ashamed to say that about 10 rounds at the range would wear me down. That was when I was running 180 gr. stuff down the barrel.

Then several years ago I read an article about Barnes TTSX bullets, the gist of which is that bullet weight isn't nearly as critical as bullet construction. It talked about 130 grain TTSXs through both 300 WMs and 30.06s with excellent performance. I discovered that Federal happened to be loading this round for 300 WMs, and rated it at no less than 3500 ft/sec...!!! So I ordered up some. (Now no longer available, darn it!)

First thing I learned at the range was that my 300 WM's recoil was barely on par with any 30.06s I'd shot over the years. I'm likin' that!

The next thing I learned was that when I sighted my rifle 1.5" high at 100 yds, it shot about 2 to 2.5" high at 200 yds. Now I'm really likin' this stuff! That's pushing MPBR into the realm of 400 yards, give or take (and probably why I don't get as excited as some over the .26 Nosler).

And so was my Wby Vanguard, which consistently would put three of 'em into a 1/2" group! Perhaps in part because the rifle wasn't so punishing.

That season I drilled a 6 point bull elk at about 100 yards a tad high through the lungs. It made about 30 yds and piled up very dead. Mush pretty much describes those organs when I dressed it out.

I've taken several deer at close range since, and I'd say results weren't quite as spectacular. Too much zip, is my estimation, for a bullet of that construction on a relatively thin skinned critter with less mass than an elk. But not to the point I had to chase down a wounded animal or anything like that. In all cases there was very little loss of meat due to bullet performance.

Point being, with the quality of bullets now available, either to handload or in factory ammo, save for hunting dangerous game, or where long range ballistics come into play and...Hunting Gods forbid...taking 800 yard pokes at live game, there's no need to shoot heavy for caliber bullets.

With a magnum caliber like the 300s, 130 to 150 gr ammo can tame a lot of recoil...IMHO, unnecessary recoil, that can cause flinching, missed shots, poor shots resulting in wounded animals, and reluctance to practice ahead of time.

I have read numerous articles citing professional guides and outfitters who will state, literally categorically, that about 30% of hunters who show up in camp with a .300 magnum can actually shoot them well. The rest are basically scared of their own rifles' recoil, with all the problems that causes...including guides having to sort out situations gone to hell.

Punch in some numbers on the following calculator and watch what happens to recoil as bullet weight drops. It's surprisingly significant...

http://www.shooterscalculator.com/recoil-calculator.php

If a .270 Win and 130 to 150 grains of quality bullet is enough for elk, and it certainly is, why does a .300 WM somehow require 180 to 200 grains to get the same job done? Big bullets certainly won't make up for lousy shot placement, we all agree on that, right? Hell, a lot of hunters take elk every year with a 25.06...not that I'd recommend it, albeit I love the caliber! Keep in mind that most of the moose in Scandanavia taken each year are handled with 6.5x55 Swedes.

Indeed, John Barsness recently wrote an article in Rifle magazine on this subject, making the same points regarding modern bullet construction and quality. He noted, too, that as people get older, their ability to soak up recoil often goes south, and that his wife started getting headaches from recoil, so they had to find a level she could handle in lesser calibers and adapt to that.

Anyway, it's quite possible to take a lot of the bite out of the south end of a .300 WM with lower weight bullets, and still be every bit as effective and successful with the business end of the gun.

FWIW.
 
I have a Browning BBR in .300 wm. It is on the heavy side but about 6 or 8 shots off the bench is my limit. Not much meat in my shoulders. But the worse one in our safe was a Rem 700 in 7mm mag I found with the factory stock it had a very fast hard recoil. and it hurt.
I could manage maybe 5 rounds at a sitting. We changed the stock to a B&C with nice recoil pad and recoil was almost like shooting a light .270. Stock design has a lot to do with recoil.
The hardest one to shoot for me was My brothers Marlin in 45-70 and I think 300 or 400 grain bullets That solid butt plate sure left the bruises
 
. Stock design has a lot to do with recoil.

Absolutely! One of the knocks against the early Ruger 77s was that, even in 30.06, they kicked like a mule! Hunters often drool over a Husqvarna Featherweight, but will readily admit they're no fun at all at the range, regardless of caliber worthy of big game.

A lot of people resort to muzzle brakes, but they don't realize that they'll be about as popular as a skunk at a wedding when at the range...and most guides will confess (in no uncertain terms) their contempt for rifles equipped as such. Had a guy fire off a round next to me at the range once, without the courtesy of a warning, and damn near blew the hat off my head! Hearing protection was hardly enough!

On the other hand, I've shot a Tikka T3 Lite in .300 WSM and a Sako A7 in .270 WSM, both with Limbsavers installed, and found them reasonably tolerable...albeit a somewhat sharper bite than the .300 WMs I've shot. Had a Rem. Sendero in .300 WM, pretty heavy rifle with its acutely accurate 26" bull barrel, but with 180 gr rounds it got wearisome fairly quickly for me. My Vanguard (with a Pacific Research stock) and 130 gr ammo is much easier to take than that one was.

Did some shooting with a Marlin .308 Express, which came equipped with a thin and hard rubber butt plate; it produced a surprisingly sharp and unpleasant bite on the shoulder. A Decelerator recoil pad properly installed turned it into a very tolerable shooter that didn't bother my daughter in the slightest.
 
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I'm not quite sure how it happened, but I ended up with 4 300 Wins, a WSM, a Weatherby and a RUM. That's the trimmed down count. From a practical point of view I feel the Win is the way to go for the big 30s. If you would have asked 30 years ago I would have admitted to finding it a bit much, but doable. Now, they are just a nice little gun.

My son started transitioning to a .300 when he was 14, mostly by shooting a nearly identical .257 'bee and taking a few cracks with a .300 here and there. It didn't take all that long before the 257 started staying home.
 
Dogleg. I agree with the letting it ride vs stopping the recoil. I try to shoot my 458 wm as much as I can. I can really feel the bump thru my body when prone and I often need to readjust on the front bag due to muzzle rise especially when using 500 gr bullets. My savage 300 wm of unknown weight with scope and bipod I can keep it almost on target during recoil. The bipod more or less slides to the side slightly but my target is usually still visible thru the scope. My buddy will be using it for bear hunting in a week. I'll bring my 25/06 as well for back up in case the 300 is to much for him.
Will be weird bringing factory ammo on a hunt but I don't have time to acquire dies and work up a load so factory it is
 
I've shot various rifles chambered in most of the fast 30's, 33's and a couple of 37's. Out of all those rifles, the only one I found uncomfortable to shoot was a Vangaurd in 300 WM. That thing stung every time I pulled the trigger. As said earlier, a lot of the time recoil sensitivity has to do with stock design.

I've got a Savage Weather warrior in 300 RUM that's an absolute joy to shoot, not much worse than most 30/06's I've shot.
 
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