$3000 or less, and competitive at 600 meters. What should I get?

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Ok, I have to spend, at most $3000 on a rifle. (2500 would be better). I want it to be, shooter not withstanding, competitive at 600 meters.

I will also use it for gophers and plinking so something thats cheap and easy to shoot is good too.


I was thinking the Savage 10FP with the choate stock with the heavy barrel and in 223.
But I dont know about what optics, or if the 308 is worth the extra ammo costs.
Or if there is a better rifle that I should be looking for.


Thanks in advance.
 
Effective to 600+ meters.

There are a number of used TR rifles for sale at perhaps $1500 max. These .308 rifles are used to 1000 yards quite effectively. Several brands that will fit this bill are Omark (Sportco) Model 44 rifles and Musgrave actions. Barrels vary. These rifles have peep sights but they can easily be modified for F-class (aka scopes). Occasionally you will find a similar rifle in .223 with a barrel that has 7.5" or 8" twist to handle the heavy .223 bullet that is useful at 1000 yards.

Many of these rifles are pillar bedded. Few barrels are "shot out". Check the DCRA site (www.dcra.ca) and look at the various provincial rifle association sites. You should find something.

Ken
Winnipeg
 
^ BR or PPC

If you want to run a lot of rounds thru it in a day then I would go
223 - 6 BR - 6 PPC. PPC being the most accurate to 300 and 6 BR being
the most accurate to 600. (actualy very little difference in accuracy)
They are cheap to shoot and by going to 6 mm tight twist you can
go to heavier High BC bullets. Usualy load for a 6BR is about 31 grns
of varget. Recoil in either is just above a 223.

Should be able to pick up good used in BR or PPC. I shoot a 223 cooper
which is great, but has 14 twist and in a breeze you dont want to
be out over 300 yds.

IMHO
Check out 6mmbr.com....all the information you need.
 
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The 6BR is a Remington cartridge ( Bench Rest)

The 6PPC was designed by to fellas named Pindell and Palmessan(sp?)

It was made with a small primer pocket, with a case much the same as the .220 Russian.
There are 22BR's and 22PPC's also,(as well as a few wildcats!:D )

A 6BR would be great fopr what you are looking at , but the ammo is more expensive to make than .223.
At 600 yards the .223 is a fine cartridge wirth the right bullet and twist in the barrel.

There are several manufacureers that make competitive .223's, and you can get a good scope for the price of $300.
Cat
 
Go to 6mmBR.com

and study it. There is loads of info on the 6mmBR. I have one and I will never look back at another cartridge for varmint or out to 600. It is easy to load for and shoots hot diggidy dog! Go with a a 8 twist 26-28" barrel and you will be off to the races. Have it chambered for 6mmBR Norma in a .272 neck. Then you can use Lapua brass which can be bought very easy in Canada. The Lapua brass is so consistent that neck turning is not really required.

Bullet selection will be fairly easy as well. The Sierra Match Kings shoot very well and if you want something different Bergers are available up here as well. For varmint hunting then you could go to the Hornady 87gr V-Max's or try lighter if you want.

There are many variations of the 6BR but the straight up 6BR is winning in the US. Personally I feel that a lot of these variations are brought on by people and there thing with velocity. Yes if you want to shoot a Richard Graves wildcat bullet that is 120 grs then a variation of the 6BR would be beneficial to get the velocity up. Other than that stay straight up 6BR, load, shoot and have fun doing it.

For 3000.00 you could have a totally custom built rifle on just about any custom made action out there that will shoot circles around any accurized factory gun.

JMO

Calvin
 
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what to do

i bought a omark , m44 last year used of course it still is a tack driver, for your budget if you want 308 find a action have it rebarelled with a heavy one have it glass bedded and head spaced my friend did that last year , it cost him under athousand ,
 
enfield p said:
i bought a omark , m44 last year used of course it still is a tack driver, for your budget if you want 308 find a action have it rebarelled with a heavy one have it glass bedded and head spaced my friend did that last year , it cost him under athousand ,
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We buy almost every M44 that we seee on the 'net for guys in our club!
They are a great rifle for the money, and can get a starting shooter competitive right out of the gaqte.
The problem is if they have factory barrels they are slow twist palmas, so you have to use a Palma style bullet, and if you want to use a scope, you are looking at getting it D&T'd.
However, they are still a good deal.
Cat
 
The biggest problem with the 6br is I cant find factory ammo, and buying reloading equipment cuts into my budget.
Both 223 and 308 I can get fairly cheap plinking ammo, but also match grade ammo too.

Getting custom work is a very long wait, 6+ months just about anywhere. So I was planning on getting the best factory that I can with my budget, and once I can out shoot the rifle worry about getting work done, like maybe over next winter. I am pretty sure some stuff like free floating the barrel and a couple other things can be done at home by myself.

For the scope I like nikon, maybe because I really like their camera's, but they seem to have great clarity and light transfer, and for much less then leupold.
But the Tactical Mildot Nikon is still 1000 bucks.

I still dont really know what rifle to get, the savage has a fast twist, so its good in 223, the rem 700 twists too slow for 223 but would be good for 308, but then its a toss up to what rifle is better out of the box, and most say the rem needs more work and it costs more.
 
Yes if you do not have

reloading equipment that definately rules out the 6BR unless you are willing to pay the high price for Lapua factory ammo.

Just keep in mind that in the long run it will cost you at least double to start out factory and then accurize it. When you go to sell it if you ever plan on, do not expect to get back what you put into it or even close to it.

For 1800.00 I may consider selling my Rem 700 6BR with dies minus the scope.That is about 200.00 less than what was put into it. That is just the cost of doing it up not factoring what the gun was worth B4. Maybe 5-600.00. I have a gun that is worth about 2500.00. Not many people would be interested in giving me that.:(
 
If you want to be 'competitive', I see that as having gear that will give you the chance at winning.

For the budget listed, get a custom action ($1000 or so). Install a quality match barrel ($600). Bed into an appropriate stock ($150 to 800). Mount quality bases and rings ($100 to more). You still have about $500 to 1000 for optics.

Most competitive short range guns better shoot 1/2 MOA all day every day for the number of shots in their string (up to 20rds as you need to count any sighters). This also limits cal choices to the 6mm or 6.5mm.

I would be hard pressed to find a better cartridge then the 6 BR. You don't get to be competitive using factory ammo unless dictated by class rules ie Palma.

Most classes restrict weight so you need to consider that and your cartridge choice.

However, you don't need all this to just get out and have some fun. Sounds like lesser is better when it comes to this project.

Jerry
 
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Jeff000 said:
The biggest problem with the 6br is I cant find factory ammo, and buying reloading equipment cuts into my budget.
Both 223 and 308 I can get fairly cheap plinking ammo, but also match grade ammo too.

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For the price of 10 boxes of match ammo for just about any caliber, you can set yourself up for reloading.
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If you want a rifle that's accurate enough to play with out to 600m and allows you to buy cheap ammo to go shoot gophers, I'd really suggest that you get yourself a .223 in something like a heavy barrelled Savage or a Tikka. That will allow you to easily put a bunch of rounds downrange without having to worry about the accuracy issues that the hardcore benchrest guys have wet dreams about.

Your cost doesn't have to be $3k, I expect that you can get yourself an excellent rig for well under $2,000. Put the extra cash into ammo and get out there and do some shooting. Once you have some decent experience whacking gophers at the far end of a quarter section, you may find yourself lusting for something fancier (like a 6mm BR). Or, frankly, you may be very comfortable, thank you very much, with your .223. :)
 
A used TRG-22 with scope mount would fit in under $3000, and I happen to have one for sale. ;)
 
I like the 223, more popular, there alot of round around, but if you like fast, then 22.250, but is a barrel burner, I am assumed that you reload, than get 22-250, it great for varmint!, not sure about that caliber, but in 308, savage had a tighter twist than rem700PSS, either way you won't loose that much!
 
IMHO, If you want the best of both worlds (custom/factory) I would tend to suggest a rem 700 in 223 or 22-250 (22-250 is a reeeeely fast). Get a gun plumber to accurize the action, put a match barrel on it and do some stock work. You should have enough left over to put on a nice chunk of glass if your total budget is 3g's.
 
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