Thanks for all the advice, I have read a Nosler manual but to be honest I don't remember much of it, I guess I'll have to read it again to satisfy the people who think it's unacceptable for me to be asking such questions on a forum created to share ideas and help out other gun owners. My bad. I asked about these powder and bullets because I bought them from a guy for cheap so I figured I should try and get what I can out of these first and move on from there. I've been on Hogdon and Noslers websites reading up all their load data and whatnot and I've read lots of articles from various gun digests and magazines and I even used google, it may surprise some to know that my google search turned up several links to this site. Go figure... Thank you Somerset Bar, I am going to try 66 grains of the H414 and see what I get. I'm thankful for everyone who offered tips and advice but I have to say, I'm a little surprised that I got scolded for not knowing everything there is to know before asking for advice on something I don't know much about. I'll have to think about that...