.303 230 gr.
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dnepr said:
230 gr "Game Ranger", Made by Frontier in South Africa (frontierbullets.co.za) and sold in Canada by Marstar. I have some 174 gr but haven't got around to loading any yet. I think a couple of folks on CGN may have tried them, though. They're essentially a flat point with a lead core and a full copper jacket.
StuartLefty #### said:
Actually, ####, they fly pretty good, and are easily a 200 yd load. A bullet with that kind of sectional density doesn't slow down very fast in tissue or in air.
Marc,
38 gr of Re 15 will get you a tad less than 2200 fps.
47 gr of Re 22 goes a bit over 2250.
Both loads are very safe pressure for the LE. Cases last longer than some of the published 180 gr loads.
Ted
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That's friggin' huge. I must have some.
Whether they expand or not, large meplat hard cast bullets also do exceedingly well on game.Why not? said:
However, that will be cold comfort when a Conservation Officer seizes your rifle and ammunition and gives you a little piece of paper in exchange. Even if you win in court, your hunting trip with that rifle is toast.
In BC it is illegal to use full metal jacketed bullets for hunting or trapping game. Nowhere does it say that they are okay if you can prove that although full metal jacketed, they expand - the regulations make no mention of that. I would not want to be standing before a judge, with those regulations, trying to convince him that he should see the law my way. Unless there is some kind of an opening in the jacket at the tip, my personal decision would be that I don't want anything to do with these bullets for hunting. At least, here in BC with our regulations.
The chance of actually having a CO check your ammunition is small, but it is there.
Of course the bullet is full metal case, however the jacket is relatively thin, and one or two passes with a coarse bastard cut file on the flat nose does very well indeed. Hence the in my original post.
Makes no difference at all in the accuracy. Still shoots about 1 1/2 minute groups, and no discernible difference in trajectory to 200 yds.
Actually, Rick, it is about like shooting one of your heavy 35 cast LF meplats.
As far as them being grizzly medicine, Wannabe, I have not had any reason to use one on a grizzly, but I have seen and know of enough of them going down with cartridges of far lesser momentum and expansion.
Certainly will not be concerned if that is all I have in my hands if the occasion does arise. It would be better than a lot of others I could be carrying.
Ted
in my original post.Makes no difference at all in the accuracy. Still shoots about 1 1/2 minute groups, and no discernible difference in trajectory to 200 yds.
Actually, Rick, it is about like shooting one of your heavy 35 cast LF meplats.
As far as them being grizzly medicine, Wannabe, I have not had any reason to use one on a grizzly, but I have seen and know of enough of them going down with cartridges of far lesser momentum and expansion.
Certainly will not be concerned if that is all I have in my hands if the occasion does arise. It would be better than a lot of others I could be carrying.
Ted
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Seen. And would certainly remove any uncertainty about how the CO's will react. I recall guys doing that back in the early 60's with some of the surplus military ball ammo out there and swearing by it. My old man told me not to get any such stupid ideas and steered me towards the Bair reloading press, but the idea fascinated me as a kid nonetheless.Why not? said:Of course the bullet is full metal case, however the jacket is relatively thin, and one or two passes with a coarse bastard cut file on the flat nose does very well indeed. Hence the
I imagine it would be - with or without the file job. To bad the law doesn't allow simply using them as is.
Knocking the tip off a military FMJ bullet always carried with it the possibility of the core being blown completely out of the jacket since the base was open. If the jacket was thus left in the bore, a subsequent shot guaranteed barrel damage, or worse. These bullets have a solid copper covered base, so filing the copper jacket material off the nose would have no such liability. I would love to try some of these in my Winchester-built P14. I bet they penetrate like nobody's business. Regards, Eagleye
Rick said:
Yes, I have no doubt they would be just fine as is. It is amazing what a big wide flat nose will do. I have used the 375449 bullet in my 375 H&H at a mere 1600 fps and it is quite enlightening, to say the least.
Buddy here borrowed my Lyman 311284 mold and loaded up some 30-30 ammo with it. To call it a penetrator is an understatement, and the damage it does is simply devastating.
He lives in the Kootenays now, and is probably using them for elk. Ted
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Eagleye said:
EE, send me your address and I will put a few in the mail for you to try.
I have been trying to log on to photobucket to post a picture of what they look like, but cannot get on. Anyone else having trouble there today?
Ted
